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  •  Great rant NonnyO -- third leg of your stool (4+ / 0-)
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    is the preamble of Constitution.   "We the people....ordain.." our govt. which follows.

    These folks had recently escaped the royal british law.  They were quite aware that queen/king was not only head of state -- they were head of state church.  They weren't completely head of state until church "coronation" where they are "ordained."  

    Our guys chose the power of People rather than power of deity --- we swear the oath to our fellow citizens on our own promise rather than on magical religious investiture.

    De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

    by Neon Mama on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:46:17 PM PST

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    •  Thank you! :-) You are correct.... (4+ / 0-)

      It irritates me no end that the reichwingnuts don't get that!


      Besides which, I do genealogy research, have multiple lineages of early New England ancestors from the Mayflower forward.  I get a good dose of history right along with info about my ancestors (Google Books and Internet Archive both have books with expired copyrights to download and read; my ancestors are mentioned in some of them).

      I am absolutely convinced that the people who don't understand the oaths/affirmations (notice both words - the Founding Fathers allowed for atheist leaders even if modern people aren't that advanced yet) to the CONSTITUTION have never actually read an early American history book.  There's a lot more to it than the landing of the Mayflower (my ancestors and relatives signed the Mayflower Compact) and the myths surrounding the first Thanksgiving, and the ships that arrived within the first 15-20 years after the Mayflower.  There's even MORE to it than the religious freedom some (not all, some) of them sought (and a few of my ancestors were among those looking for freedom to worship; two of them signed the Portsmouth Compact and helped found RI).  Quite apart from everything else, they were concerned with repaying the investors who put up money for their voyages, so they were quite concerned with making goods, felling trees, other things having to do with repaying the investors..., and religion was a side issue, even though a great many of them arrived on these shores for the twin reason of getting away from England and the religious wars that were forcing a government-mandated religion down their throats.  Then some sects who arrived in America turned around and were as vicious about forcing their version of religion on people as what they'd escaped in England.

      The Founding Fathers were so damned MUCH smarter than most modern people realize when they gave us a secular government, and freedom of/from religion otherwise.  Think of the deadly wars we've escaped through the centuries because of that fact alone!  Now these asshats want to impose their religious beliefs on us by laws controlling women's bodies and religious belief by government decree (through the 'office of faith-based initiatives' if they get half a chance to get the leg and second foot through that door since the office is run out of the White House - the handwriting is on the wall, as far as I'm concerned and I want that office disbanded, like yesterday, not expanded as Obama did when he was elected)?!?!?!?

      No, Thanks!

      Sorry..., these things make me rant faster than I realize.  [No wonder I have high blood pressure problems!]

      I'll shut up now.

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 09:09:45 PM PST

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      •  Rant away. It needs repetition. I make sure (1+ / 0-)
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        my grandkids get these concepts -- just in case it doesn't get in their texts or stick fast to their brains.  

        One early president swore his oath on a law book. One president refused to"swear" due to his mainstream Christian faith.   One Quaker did swear. etc.  

        It is like innoculating them against the disease "tyranny of majority"-- while they are still at the age when they, and their friends,  really believe in fair play.

        I keep trying to get schools to focus on dec 10 International Human Rights day as their december focus instead of breaking law against church/state in front of kids.    

         I often rant off a list of "faith based intiatives" like Al Qaida, Hezbollah,  KKK, Crusades, Salem witch trials, intafada --- to calm folks who have any praise for such claptrap.

        {My mom was about to join DAR --- when they would not let Marion Anderson sing.  She never forgave them for their bigotry. I come from a long line of freedom fighters. She made me wear both orange & green on St. Patricks Day --- to honor BOTH sides of our Irish slice of heritage.}

        De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

        by Neon Mama on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:51:48 AM PST

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