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  •  You did so well with that older pootie! (4+ / 0-)
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    What a lovely hooman! :-)

    I will make sure Mom asks the vet if kitty's spine is involved, that's a good piece of info, thanks.

    Part of the problem here is getting Mom to communicate effectively with the vet. There's a tendency to not ask things, not want to question, etc. I think partly a generational thing? It's somewhat true with the people-doctors she goes to too, though she's getting smarter at that.

    I love it that Obama's channeling Harry Truman: "I don't give 'em hell; I just tell the truth and they think it's hell!"

    by sillia on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 04:39:48 PM PST

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    •  Thanks.... (1+ / 0-)
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      Yes, the not asking things and treating anyone with "Dr." before their name is a generational thing.  My mom and her sis were like that.  I'm a first-year Baby Boomer, so I'm less impressed with titles.  I discovered that titles don't mean much when the titled person is dumber than a sack of hammers.  Some with titles are smart..., but some are not.  It takes some effort to know which is which sometimes.

      When spines are involved, icky things like severed spinal cords or sciatic nerves can happen by twisting wrong.  It's a very delicate balance.  [It's very painful for humans, so I assume it's also painful for cats, dogs, any being with a spine.]

      The spine is the part I'd worry about most in your mom's cat's case.  The cat may have an arthritic back, and that could be very problematic for the pain it causes said cat.

      [I have advanced degenerative arthritis in my spine, lower back's been fused, vertebrae replaced with cadaver vertebrae, right knee replaced, the left one is going to have to be replaced, and I have the same arthritis in other parts of my body, plus bone spurs.  Mention arthritis and spine in the same sentence and my empathy goes out to anyone, human or fur person, who has the same problem.]

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 09:13:46 PM PST

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      •  Aww, so sorry to hear about all your pain. (1+ / 0-)
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        Ugh. Have you tried raw chicken? Just kidding, that's for the pooties.
        Degenerative arthritis may not be the same thing my Mom has, hers is osteo. I don't think degenerative, but it has been crippling for her. About 10 years ago she eliminated dairy from her diet (on my urging, as an experiment) and her arthritis pain went away about 85% or better. With some stretching exercise her hands became useful again, it was amazing to see! Unfortunately, she doesn't stay as strict to the diet as she should and some of the pain has returned.
        We learned from Dr. John McDougall that most (human) arthritis has a food trigger, and dairy is the first culprit. (Some people have other triggers but it can be hard to figure them out.)

        Thanks again, I will be talking to my Mom today and will bring up the spine question. I'm sure that will be useful!
        Take care,

        I love it that Obama's channeling Harry Truman: "I don't give 'em hell; I just tell the truth and they think it's hell!"

        by sillia on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 08:21:49 AM PST

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        •  Arthritis.... (2+ / 0-)
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          Osteo-arthritis is degenerative arthritis.

          The kind of arthritis I have - degenerative - is connected to allergies.  The immunology prof where I went to college explained it this way:  When the histamines can't find anything else to attack, they turn around and attack your bone joints.  It's a form of being allergic to yourself.  Histamines ate up one disc in my back (even I could see zero space between two vertebrae on the X-ray and the fact that the disc was gone, and the two discs on either side of that were almost as thin).  I had vertebrae bone rubbing on vertebrae bone.  Feels creepy when I was only reaching for a tissue on my night stand and wasn't even exerting myself, there was the bone grinding on bone.  I also have bone spurs at places on my spine; only the one bothers me in my neck; bending my head over at certain angles makes my entire body from the neck down go numb.  All the cartilage in my right knee was gone before I went ahead with the surgery to have the knee replaced, and he scraped off the bone spurs on the upper thigh bone where they would have interfered with the metal knee replacement.  My left knee is fast feeling the same as my right before surgery, bone grinding on bone again, and it's painful.

          When I saw the allergy specialist over 30 years ago, he was taking my history and said "You have arthritis."  He didn't ask, he declared.  I said "Yes, well, something hurts in my joints.  How did you know?"  His reply was that 'virtually all people who have allergies have degenerative arthritis, but it can only be seen on X-rays.  Rheumatoid arthritis is the one that makes hand joints curl and look odd, and that's the one that can be diagnosed with a blood test and it's different from degenerative arthritis.'

          I don't have a milk allergy, thankfully.  Lots of other allergies (pollens - and things from trees, like cinnamon, wood smoke; grain pollen and certain foods made from grains, various foods, chemicals), but not milk products.  Milk has begun to taste odd sometimes, but I suspect that may be because of BGH, even though I buy the one that's not supposed to have BGH in it.  Only the good ice cream tastes like ice cream.  I eat butter, not margarine (icky chemical crap one molecule away from being plastic).  I grew up on a farm, so I can taste the difference.

          I know I can't eat beef.  The last three times I ate it I was deathly ill for three days each, and that was in 1992.  Only later when I found out about the crud cattle are fed in feeder lots did I connect what they eat and medicines they're given with being allergic.  Chicken (for me) has tasted odd for a few years, and there, again, I suspect the feed chickens get in those large chicken factory barns; I rarely eat it any more, but used to love it.  (I suspect if I still knew any farmers who raised their own beef or chickens and they were pasture and grain fed I could likely consume the meat.  I'm only one person, so no large freezer for me and no way to keep lots of chickens or half a beef in my little freezer.)  So far, I'm okay with pork, but occasionally some of that tastes odd, too.  Food allergies for me normally come in the form of vomiting or/and diarrhea shortly after eating, then the three-day migraine sets in.  MSG and sage (spice or pollen) are guaranteed three-day migraines.  Most of my food triggers are "new world foods" - and I suspect the most recent food allergies are connected with genetically modified foods.

          Post in the pootie diary the results of the vet visit for your mother's cat and I'll catch it later.  I am going to nap to try to get rid of this cold/sinus thing that has set in, but will check on the PWB diary whenever I wake up, which will probably be this evening.

          Best wishes to your mother's little fur person....

          I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

          by NonnyO on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 09:52:04 AM PST

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          •  ouch, ouch, ouch. (1+ / 0-)
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            Well, I hope someday they can figure out a way to treat all these allergies/sensitivities, and at the very least diagnose them better!

            It'll probably be a week or so before I have an update on my mom's cat--I talked with her today and she's decided to go to a different vet. There's one who treats cats only, that sounded promising. I passed along all the DKos suggestions so I think she has some good things to work on. Poor kitty!

            Take care, and I hope you get rid of the sinus thing, those are just horrible. :-(

            I love it that Obama's channeling Harry Truman: "I don't give 'em hell; I just tell the truth and they think it's hell!"

            by sillia on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 12:18:56 PM PST

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