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  •  Happy Veteran's Day (8+ / 0-)

    to you too.  It's nice that it ended up being a multi-day thing this year to make it easier to get the events in.  

    I'm not sure where Long Beach is.  Is it on Long Island? Or maybe Long Beach Island in NJ?  I'm surprised that they didn't prepare a bit more too since it sounds like they are near the ocean.  

    The forecast did keep changing, with respect to landfall, but there was still a lot of warning and they did keep saying that the areas north of landfall were going to get the biggest storm surge.  I've heard that some people did not take it seriously because last year the warnings about Irene didn't turn out the way it was predicted, but I thought Irene was bad enough that it still warranted paying attention!

    One thing that did really surprise me was that at one point, I think it was the day before the storm him, Sunday, that Bloomberg had not evacuated lower Manhattan and some other areas.  I remember being really surprised  about that.  I think he did issue an evacuation order later, but by that time, it seemed way too late.  It's not exactly easy to evacuate millions of people from an island quickly.  I do wonder if his attitude had an effect on a lot of people in the metro area.

    Meanwhile, evacuation orders were given for the barrier islands in NJ long before that.  I think Christie, much as I can't stand him, handled it a lot better than Bloomberg did.  

    Hope things start going better for your relatives.


    "Justice is a commodity"

    by joanneleon on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 06:20:13 AM PST

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    •  long beach (10+ / 0-)

      is a barrier island off the southern coast of LI.

      I think most of the country doesn't grasp the magnitude of Sandy's destruction and the number of people affected. There are more people on Staten Island alone then there were in NOLA during Katrina. It's going to take a monumental rebuilding to get parts of NJ and NY back to what they were. We're used to disasters being flooding somewhere in Missouri where the population is low or a wildfire in Colorado where maybe 100 homes are destroyed but Sandy was like the much feared "big" earthquake hitting LA. I just hope the politicians make good on their promises to get the people the help that they need, now that the cameras have pretty much left and the election is over.

      •  i've read damage estimates of $30-50 billion... (6+ / 0-)

        which is an almost incomprehensibly large amount.  it's apparent that the damage dwarfs katrina, not least because of the enormous amounts of infrastructure that got destroyed in the densely populated areas.  i think that peoples patience is likely to fray and the politicians are going to take some heat for their failure to respond with aid on the same scale as the damages.

        i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

        by joe shikspack on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 06:43:02 AM PST

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      •  I agree (7+ / 0-)

        that most people probably don't grasp the extent of the damage and the number of people affected.  The density of the population in this whole area is not something people are used to in other parts of the country.

        I also feel that the devastation was played down so that it did not have an adverse effect on the election.  We saw pictures of Brigantine with Obama and Christie.  This town is close to me.  The towns in southern NJ were very lucky and relatively little damage was done.  Family members whose homes are right on or near the water are fine.  The timing was most of the reason for the relative lack of coverage of the most devastated areas, or the fact that it was soon out of the major news coverage due to the election that the solar system revolves around.  You can see here on this blog, for instance, that most of the diaries are still about the election or Romney or the Republcians.  At another time on this blog there would have been huge support and a lot of writing about an area so devasted by a storm -- Katrina, for instance, drew tons and tons of writing here.  Things have changed a lot.  Mitt Romney's boogers are more interesting and important to most people here than people who have lost everything, a FEMA and Red Cross sorely lacking, and a metro area that will take months to get close to normal and years to recover.


        "Justice is a commodity"

        by joanneleon on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 06:53:04 AM PST

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        •  Could be just me, but (1+ / 0-)
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          I think part of the silence is that people assume that NY/NJ can take care of themselves. And, well, in general it's not a (perceived) population that most of the US feels luckier than/superior to.

          (That may seem harsh, but I think it's easier for most Americans to generate charity/activism on behalf of populations they pity, not those who are just like them or who they imagine look down on them.)

          But also -- while the FEMA/Red Cross response has been lacking, the gov't from president all the way down instantly acknowledged that gov'tal action was required (Bloomberg's 'we don't need no help' aside). When there's no clear villain, there's not so much urgency in the bystanders...

        •  This is not the usual cable TV disaster that (5+ / 0-)

          is fixed once the water subsides or the fire is out and the cable news people are off to find the next "breaking news". This one is going to take a long time to fix and we need organizations (govt. / Red Cross etc) that are willing to go the distance. The immediate concern is shelter and food. The temperature is dropping. Folks can't stay in their high rises without electricity/flushing toilets, heat...

          (^ is what I was trying to say in my first comment but it didn't come out clearly)

          If anything good comes out of this, it will be to get more  people to start talking about climate change and also how to prepare major cities to handle the changes that have already occurred. It's a wake up call and as bad as it is, I fear the situation could get worse.

          I wasn't at DKos for Katrina, so I can't compare, but I have noticed that the usual bunch have moved right on from it and onto reliving the election. Were you here when Poblano posted regularly? I've been meaning to go back and read his early stuff - who he supported in the primaries...

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