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  •  Very few non-believers in US (26+ / 0-)

    ...when this data was gathered. Most of the developed nations at the top:

    With so many believers in the US -- the fundamentalists and conservatives have a vast audience that easily and naturally suspends disbelief -- not so much into questioning what they are preached or told by the media authorities on the television set.

    That explains how lying came to be such an effective tool for Republicans.

    A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

    by Pluto on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:04:17 PM PST

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    •  Some religious people (0+ / 0-)

      Say being an atheist is a mental disorder just as you do. Should I submit to a brain scan in order to run for office?   Would that be ok with you?  Or does that only apply to religious beliefs that you approve of?

      This has been a golden age for confirmation bias. - David Brooks

      by Mindful Nature on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 11:39:21 PM PST

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    •  You know what most (5+ / 0-)

      of the non-Communist/former-Communist countries ahead of the US on that list have in common?

      They're not officially secular.

      Most of them - notably Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Germany, and the UK - actually have a state religion. Of those that don't, most still don't have any officially-codified doctrine of separation of church and state. If you exclude the countries with a history of Communism, none except France is as aggressively secular as the US.

      Canada in particular - the country most comparable to the U.S. in most respects - doesn't have a state religion, but it's very wishy-washy about the whole thing. I went to a public, provincially-funded Catholic school in Quebec in the mid-'80s. As far as I know, most of the French-language schools are still Catholic. And yet you'll find Canada's highest concentration of atheists in Quebec among the Francophone population.

      I would love to see a less-religious U.S. population and less religious influence in government here. But your approach is backwards. You don't get good government by attacking religion. You weaken religion with good government. That's why Scandinavia is the least religious region of the world even though every single Scandinavian country has a state religion.

      (Don't tell them I said this, but the evangelicals/fundies are right to be worried about social programs, and if their goal is to maintain/expand their strength, they're right to ally themselves with the neocons. A well-run government with a strong social safety net undermines the economic power that conservative religious groups have over their communities. And effective, accessible education - even in a religious school - breaks their psychological hold.)

      "Let’s just move on, treat everybody with firmness, fairness, dignity, compassion and respect. Let’s be Marines." - Sgt. Maj Michael Barrett on DADT repeal

      by kyril on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 01:30:41 AM PST

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    •  How old is that chart? (1+ / 0-)
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      Here's a 2012 Gallup poll result that shows 32% of Americans consider themselves "non-religious". I realize that may include a number of people who subscribe to what I call "disorganized religion", i.e. they are theists or have some sort of spiritual impulse, but are hardly the sort of people who blindly follow some preacher's authority.

      I also realize that it still doesn't put us in the same class with western Europe, but it's not that bad.

      "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

      by sidnora on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 07:14:28 AM PST

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