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  •  I think a lot of the DKE crowd, myself included (12+ / 0-)

    who have a strong dislike of Bayh don't dislike him because he was too conservative because let's face it, this is Indiana.  Rather it's because he retired in 2010 with a $13 million warchest, turning a probable but not certain hold into a certain loss.

    However, it was pretty damn awesome that Donnelly won by greater than 5% and came damn close to clearing 50%.  It seems like not even having the libertarian candidate off the ballot could have saved Mourdock.

    NC-06/NC-04; -9.00, -8.41; progress through pragmatism

    by sawolf on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:42:04 PM PST

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    •  bayh is a douche (9+ / 0-)

      and not because he was "too conservative" and not because he wouldn't let go of his war chest. No, it's because on leaving the senate he piously decried "strident partisanship" and "unyielding ideology" and then took a gig at fox news. It's because he said that he wanted "to do something worthwhile" in his post-senate career and then decided to get rich as a lobbyist. Bayh should not be anyone's role model.

      •  Well yeah sure that's definitely part of it (3+ / 0-)

        but to mix metaphors, that's a "symptom" rather than a "cause."  Basically it's that he was still in a great position to win and then bailed at the last second to leave us to a certain loss that he should be viewed as persona non grata among liberals.  His whole "I just hate this partisanship thing / I want to spend more time with my family" excuse was such an obvious facade since he didn't decide to retire early and waited up until the filing deadline.  I'm not going to get annoyed when a former MoC goes on to lobby because that would be like faulting someone such as Nate Silver for profiting off of book sales.  Rather it's that Bayh fucked the party over so he could make money for himself.  Basically I'm just of the opinion that people such as Bayh (or a liberal like Tom Harkin who nonetheless locks down a swing constituency) have a moral duty to advance the cause of the people because they are so well positioned to do so compared to the alternative, which for Bayh meant running for reelection, and Bayh's retirement (at age 55 no less) guaranteed that he would be replaced by a conservative Republican was the opposite of that principle.

        And to think, his father Birch Bayh is easily among my top five favorite liberal Democrats who came from red states over the past 50 years, if not my favorite.

        NC-06/NC-04; -9.00, -8.41; progress through pragmatism

        by sawolf on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:53:11 PM PST

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        •  i don't care that he fucked over the party (2+ / 0-)
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          what annoys me most is that he helped perpetuate the bipartisan/centrism fetish in washington, when it turns out that he has no actual principles, centrist or otherwise, that he wasn't willing to sell out in his post-senate career.  Also, have to strongly disagree with this:

          I'm not going to get annoyed when a former MoC goes on to lobby because that would be like faulting someone such as Nate Silver for profiting off of book sales.

          Nate Silver is performing a public service and it's all the best if he can rich off of it. However, In becoming a lobbyist, Bayh showed that he was willing to sell out the public good. I have a real problem with that.
    •  As a Hoosier, I can tell you (2+ / 0-)
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      That if Bayh had run for re-election in 2010, he would have won.

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      by HoosierD42 on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:37:25 PM PST

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    •  No love for Bayh here. (1+ / 0-)
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      Most activist I know do not either. I do hope he runs again though. I will take what I can get.

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      by drhoosierdem on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 01:09:23 AM PST

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