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  •  We need Obama voters to turn out in 2014 (23+ / 0-)

    One reason we ended up with these crooks is because the Ohioans who put Obama in office in 2008 didn't bother to turn out for the mid-term election.

    The losses to Ohio democracy were devastating and made it that much more difficult (and expensive) for Obama to carry the state this time.  

    Add to that the loss of Dem seats in Congress through aggressive GOP gerrymandering.

    All those problems could have been avoided if Obama had just been able to turn out even a small part of his Ohio base for the 2010 election.  All of them.

    So what will it take to get Obama voters to take an interest in state and local level races?  Most of them feel the  negative impact of GOP control of Ohio government in disproportionate levels.  

    It's in their own interest to pay attention and turn out.

    Please stand by. I'm looking for a new sig line.

    by Betty Pinson on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 08:17:58 AM PST

    •  I couldn't agree more , Betty (16+ / 0-)

      What we need to do is keep talking about this and not go to sleep again. I intend to stay active and support the Democratic Party through the non-election season.

      Our local Democratic Party in Hamilton Country runs on a shoe strong budget. They don't have enough support or funds to nominate good candidates. I think we can make up for that by showing dedication to nominating and supporting good people to office. I can remember vetting many good candidates for Attorney General in the past and wondering if they would step up to the plate again.

      Democracy for America is an organization that is dedicated to finding, vetting and promoting good candidates for office.
      They are a progressive organization that promotes progressive Democrats like Sherrod Brown. Look how that turned out! Howard Dean was right. We need a 50 state solution and that means we stay involved between elections as well as in the heat of the race.

      Its as simple as that. Stay interested and involved and let people know what is going on behind the scenes.

      •  I'm hoarse from talking and tired of volunteering (6+ / 0-)

        I've been doing grassroots in Ohio for 20 years.  It's tiresome to watch the state, local and national party, as well as Dem voters, make the same mistakes over and over.

        I no longer burn up my money and energy on the effort, but I'm glad others are becoming interested.  

        For some Dem leaders and voters, failure is the only teacher.  Sad to say, they don't get it until they fail a couple of times and are personally harmed as a result.  

        Please stand by. I'm looking for a new sig line.

        by Betty Pinson on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 08:59:13 AM PST

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        •  OK Betty... (5+ / 0-)

          You seem wise.   You seem to be able to balance all perspectives.  You appear to be politically savvy.  

          Why don't you run for a statewide office?  That is what it will take on our part..... there are at least 3,000 Kossacks who have everything it takes to run for office.

          Let's find them in this new group and start some kind of movement.  "Criticizing them" for who and what they are is only relevant to the point that we hope to have the "character" to watch them and NOT follow in their footsteps.

          Counting other people's mistakes and judging them gets us nowhere. In my opinion, we need to deeply look at what happened this cycle state-by-state.  If we have a Nate Silver-type brain in the new group, let us come up with a model to do the research and make a plan to implement what we discover. Why not?

          Also, some of our own who were trained by OFA and have written diaries about how the training process worked should be asked to help.  The diaries I read and the people who wrote them could be very helpful in such a project.

          LOL... Betty for Congress... Forward 2013!

          •  Our party leaders are aware of these problems (2+ / 0-)
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            Many groups have already tried to energize the base to fix it.  

            One group was successful in getting an issue placed on the Ohio ballot that would change the process for determining Congressional and state office districts. It would have created a bipartisan panel of experts to oversee the process every 10 years.

            Guess what?  It was defeated.  Time after time, I watched voters scan their ballots indicating they weren't voting for that issue.

            There's nothing I can do to change the mind of our party leaders and, short of re-energizing the Occupy movement, there's not much point.

            If those in charge of OFA and the DNC want to expend their resources in a way that helps them deal with gerrymandering and improving participation in downticket races, that's great.  It won't happen otherwise.

            Please stand by. I'm looking for a new sig line.

            by Betty Pinson on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 12:38:28 PM PST

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            •  I disagree that "there's no much point" (0+ / 0-)

              Issue 2 — Voters First Ohio — was made a confusing as possible by the GOP and millions were spending to keep control of their gerrymander. Voters First Ohio tried some things that didn't work. They have to try again, and make it simpler and more direct. There is absolutely no excuse for any Democratic, independent, third-party member, or rational Republican (if any are left) to be opposed to it. It would be good for EVERYONE.

              Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

              by anastasia p on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:11:53 PM PST

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    •  Could you explain this to me a bit more? (4+ / 0-)
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      I keep seeing reference in many diaries , including this one about "Obama voters". So is there a block of voters called Obama voters and others called Dem voters?

      I don't get it.

      ...and why is everything on Obama to do? He has a cabinet, a DNC Leader, a VP, a Minority House Leader, a Senate Majority leader,  and I can go on and on. Why is everyone pointing everything to Obama?

      He is our Leader....but this party belongs to all of us and is bigger than one man. We should all share some of the blame for its failings.

      This is our moment...this is our time! President Barack Obama GOP: Get on the train or get the hell out of our way. Forward!

      by ankae on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 09:44:48 AM PST

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      •  Sure, I can explain (3+ / 0-)
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        Obama voters are people who are motivated each election to vote for Obama, but who otherwise don't participate in helping get Democrats elected at the state and local level.

        I guess you could say they are a subset of Democratic voters who only participate in voting for Obama when he's running for office.  

        Please stand by. I'm looking for a new sig line.

        by Betty Pinson on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 12:40:52 PM PST

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    •  OFA ain't gonna shut down.... (2+ / 0-)
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      "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State ..."- Vermont Constitution Chapter 1, Article 16

      by kestrel9000 on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 11:33:55 AM PST

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      •  Where were they in 2010? (3+ / 0-)
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        If we had kept our statewide officials in place then, we wouldn't have had to deal with gerrymandering and voter suppression this time around.

        I hope OFA/DNC have learned an important lesson.

        BTW, what happens to OFA once Obama is finished with his second term?

        Please stand by. I'm looking for a new sig line.

        by Betty Pinson on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 12:42:55 PM PST

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        •  I hope so too. (1+ / 0-)
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          BTW, what happens to OFA once Obama is finished with his second term?
          Where's Dean For America now? :)

          "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State ..."- Vermont Constitution Chapter 1, Article 16

          by kestrel9000 on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 12:51:27 PM PST

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          •  it would be nice (0+ / 0-)

            to see OFA's money go back where it belongs - at the DNC.  Then we need new leadership at the DNC to work on re-building the grassroots part of the party.

             OFA set a bad precedent. There's nothing they have accomplished that couldn't have been accomplished through the DNC.

            Please stand by. I'm looking for a new sig line.

            by Betty Pinson on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 12:58:28 PM PST

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            •  DNC doesn't necessarily support progressives (2+ / 0-)
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              YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

              by raincrow on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 02:41:21 PM PST

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              •  We need new management at DNC (3+ / 0-)

                When Howard Dean was shoved out, the whole organization went straight to hell.  

                It's a sad state of affairs when grassroots Democrats won't even support or donate to DNC anymore.  

                It needs to have its good name and reputation restored.

                Please stand by. I'm looking for a new sig line.

                by Betty Pinson on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 03:38:00 PM PST

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                •  It was to hell BEFORE Dean, too, IMO (1+ / 0-)
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                  He was a bright spot. Let the corporatists hang w/ the DNC (they're gonna do it anyway), folks like me should stick w/ DFA, and we'll meet wherever we can meet -- this is what we get for having a Big Tent.

                  YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

                  by raincrow on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:50:23 PM PST

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                  •  My prediction, and its just an educated guess (0+ / 0-)

                    Now that Obama has been re-elected to his second term, he no longer has any use for OFA or the DNC.  

                    He may leave them to wither on the vine or keep them marginally active to ensure there are funds available to support center-right Dems in 2014.

                    Past that, he doesn't really care.  OFA will shut down and DNC will be put on the shelf, leaving us unprepared for 2016.

                    Please stand by. I'm looking for a new sig line.

                    by Betty Pinson on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:28:54 PM PST

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        •  Actually, OFA kept their office open (2+ / 0-)
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          and the DNC was funding the ODP to the tune of making it one of the largest state parties in the country. But the ODP made some strategic mistakes that alienated a lot of the worker bees, starting with running a pal of Ted Strickland's, Jennifer Garrison, for secretary of state. She won her seat in the statehouse by demagoguing gay marriage and she supported the most extreme positions on reproductive choice. Outraged women and LGBT people, two of the most reliable components of the Democratic volunteer machine, were seriously demoralized. In fact, initially, it was rumored that Strickland wanted Garrison to be his running mate after lieutenant governor Lee Fisher decided to run for the U.S. Senate, and that he did not do so after a group of LGBT activists in Columbus told him they would not support him if he did. So he lobbied for the "booby prize" for Garrison.

          But a lot of damage was done in the five months between when the party slated her and when they dumped her. They finally brought her up to Cleveland at the end of 2009. She got booed, and a group of women led by local political fireball Wendy Leatherwood, who are not afraid to stand up for their rights, stood up and turned their backs on her.

          By January, when the party tried to organize a Cleveland fundraiser for her and couldn't find people for the host committee, they started to panic. They brought her up to Cleveland to meet with some of the leaders of the Cuyahoga Democratic Women's Caucus. After that meeting, they told the part. "We won't support her, we won't raise money for her, and we won't even vote for her."

          Alarmed, the ODP dumped her (unceremoniously on a Saturday afternoon, causing her to bail on her state House seat and turn it Republican — even she deserved better) and slated your clerk of courts from Franklin County, MaryEllen O'Shaughnessy. She turned out to be an excellent, tireless candidate and would have been a good secretary of state. But time was against her. Suspicion was high, she needed to breech that wall, and she had no name recognition outside Columbus. I still have her sticker on my dashboard to remind me of what she did.

          Then there was the damage done by Governor Strickland's people trying to tilt the playing field in the U.S. Senate primary, but I've gone on long enough.

          I should point out that in 2010, President Obama made repeated appearances here, including one on health care at Shaker Heights High School and one at a factory in Youngstown to talk about bringing back manufacturing jobs. I heard him speak at Cuyahoga Community College West in September of 2010.

          Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

          by anastasia p on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:37:47 PM PST

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    •  Disagree. It wasn't on Obama. He did his share. (1+ / 0-)
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      It was on the Ohio Democratic Party, and here I will specifically call out Governor Ted Strickland. He was a good governor, but he made some costly political blunders that cost him a large chunk of the activist volunteer base. I've gone over this time and time again here, so I won't do so again, but I don't care HOW friendly you are with an anti-choice, anti-gay radical, you do NOT put her on the statewide Democratic ticket. You just do not do it. But I guess what was back when we thought women in particular were blase about their reproductive freedom and the myth was still out there that the right would never ban abortion because it was such a great rallying tool for them. Now the lame duck session of the Ohio lege is planning to AGAIN take up defunding Planned Parenthood and passing the Heartbeat Bill, we hear. These people do not learn. We need to learn. No anti-choice candidate on our statewide ticket in 2014 (and no, Ed FitzGerald is NOT an anti-choice candidate, and I will be screaming my head off when the returns come in and he has crushed Kasich or Husted, whichever runs).

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

      by anastasia p on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:09:10 PM PST

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      •  Ed Fitzgerald (0+ / 0-)

        needs to stay where he is.  He's needed in his current job, or the GOP will succeed in taking control of county government.

        There are plenty of good Dem candidates out there who can run for governor.  

        Please stand by. I'm looking for a new sig line.

        by Betty Pinson on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:04:23 PM PST

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