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  •  Absolutely right (5+ / 0-)

    That is their overall strategy.  

    The question is why do Congressional Democrats let them get away with it?  Why is it that they respond to expressed Republican concerns re: the deficit in a way that grants them a semblance of legitimacy?

    For that matter, why has Barack Obama enabled them to get away with it?  When he created the Simpson-Bowles Commission, he gave their utterly phony arguments automatic legitimacy within the Beltway.

    I know Barack doesn't understand economics well enough to see that the advice Geithner was giving him was both inaccurate and politically useless, but how could he miss the hypocrisy that that was being shoveled in his direction?

    No matter...hopefully the big scare they just endured 'taught them a lesson' re: Republican duplicity and we will see a different result this time around...

    •  i dunno (0+ / 0-)

      I think the whole 'Obama agreeing to the Simpson-Bowles' thing was just Dem party kabuki theater to give Obama cover against the Republicans 'big spender' attacks.

      Obama was just fighting theatrics with theatrics.

    •  The reason is (2+ / 0-)
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      because the debt is actually a real problem. Not in the short run, when borrowing costs are so low and when a large deficit is helpful to turning the economy around. But in the long term it must be dealt with, and Democrats can't argue with that.

      Plus as a political matter, Democrats can't be seen to take a blase attitude about the debt. They have to care about it, otherwise it would have been an even bigger political issue than it already was. Look how the Republicans were successful in blaming trillion dollar deficits on Obama, even though not very much of those deficits was caused by Obama.

      And that is one reason he had to do something like Simpson Bowles.

      •  Well, yeah... (7+ / 0-)
        The reason is because the debt is actually a real problem.
        Yes, it is a real problem; what isn't real is the Republicans' feigned concern about it.

        When I said:

        Why is it that they respond to expressed Republican concerns re: the deficit in a way that grants them a semblance of legitimacy?
        ...I was referring to Republican concerns re: the deficit, i.e., their continuing complaints re: government spending levels.  That is what was foolishly granted legitimacy by the creation of Simpson-Bowles.

        The politically saavy way to respond to their complaints re: government debt was to (1) immediately respond with laughter and ridicule, and then (2) focus attention on the revenue side of the government's budget, which was eviscerated by irresponsible Republican governance.

        Plus as a political matter, Democrats can't be seen to take a blase attitude about the debt.
        I absolutely agree with this.  

        But we shouldn't express that concern by saying, "Yes, we also care about unjustifiable government spending"; instead, we should point out, with some emotion, that their character flaws are the problem, not levels of government spending that are absolutely justified during economic recessions.

        A serious strategic mistake...

    •  The reason Democrats let them get away with it (0+ / 0-)

      is that one prong of the strategy - lower taxes - is politically popular.   The voting public wants lower taxes and higher spending on programs that are important to them.  That's entirely untenable, which is why the politics of taxing/spending can be so dicey.

      Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

      by pico on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 12:01:17 PM PST

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    •  Indeed it is their plan! (0+ / 0-)

      And it's on tape! 'They' haven't been all that shy about it.
      It goes back way farther than Reagan.
      Yes they want to destroy social security and yes this has been their plan. Any short serious study on this will reveal this. I don't have all the links handy, perhaps some of the good folks here could assist.
      But have no doubt. They're against Democracy (or as John Birch called it, 'The Mobocracy') and freedom. I don't think they like America.

      'Mobacracy' begining 58:44. From Truth in Time. The presentation is long, mostly boring and often scary.
      In the belief that one should know one's enemy I consider this recommended viewing.

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