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  •  By 2016 Fidel Castro will be 90... (25+ / 0-)

    and Raul Castro will be three years older than Fidel was when he stepped down as President.

    With every passing day it becomes more likely that Cuba will be passed on to leaders not forged in the all-or-nothing choose-between-dictators Cold War era.

    And Obama policies on allowing remittances from Cuban-Americans to relatives has given birth to a small but rising private sector.

    To boot, Barack Obama oversaw the toppling of Cuba's top Mideast ally Muammar Gaddafi...who during the Cold War and even in more recent years joined with Castro on supporting insurgencies all across Latin America.

    So it is quite possible that even the one, solitary issue that the GOP has used to hold on to the older Cuban-American vote will as well be resolved under the Presidency of Barack Obama.

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    by TarantinoDork on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 08:23:33 AM PST

    •  That would be something (7+ / 0-)

      If Castro is gone and Cuba begins to be seen more as a normal country, then the whole political dynamic changes. It's a tremendous opportunity by from a policy and a political standpoint.

    •  Having lived in Havana for 4 years, (30+ / 0-)

      my impression is that once the Castros are gone, the internicine warfare in the military will begin and the government will disintegrate.  Fortunately, the many well-educated, intelligent people of Cuba are poised for a democratic transition, probably in the way that Prague was.  There are many Cuban dissidents who want to work within the existing Cuban constitution to create democratic reform; one of these dissidents, Osvaldo Payà, was killed in a car accident last summer (though questions remain as to whether or not it was a true accident).  

      The generation of people who were born during the beginning of the periodo especiál (after the fall of the Soviet Union and the elimination of its subsidies to Cuba) are not swayed by ideological arguments and do not fear the regime.  

      The Castros last hope is their relationship with Chavez in Venezuela, and with Chavez' health problems and difficult reelection, even that relationship is tenuous.  

      I have to laugh at arguments that say we should end the embargo so that Cubans are exposed to Americans and their ideals--how naive!  Cubans have been in touch with democracy-loving Canadians and Europeans (among others) for many years now.  But ending the Cuban embargo would allow for Cuban Americans who understand the system in Cuba to start really get the economy going there.  That's probably the thing that would bring about the most change.

      •  Ugh. Should preview. (9+ / 0-)

        Wrote Prague above, meant Czech Republic.

      •  I've long held disdain for Castro apologism (2+ / 0-)
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        Seriously, other than the Black Nationalist arguments about how Castro has helped Black Cubans, I never could understand that Fidel fanboyism. Putting aside everything else, you'd think Fidel's insane lobbying for Nuclear War during the Missile Crisis would be enough to make him rather unpopular with most lefties. (and of course, Che thought Fidel was soft on this subject, and wouldn't shut up about how the Cuban people would be delighted to die from radiation sickness en masse in the name of Revolution)

        but no, let's watch Oliver Stone fawn over this dude like he's Gandhi.


        "See? I'm not a racist! I have a black friend!"

        by TheHalfrican on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 12:29:07 PM PST

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        •  He lobbied for nuclear war? (0+ / 0-)

          I never heard that part of the story!

          Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

          by MichaelNY on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 08:02:13 PM PST

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        •  Castro did great things in education and health (1+ / 0-)
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          Cuba has lower infant mortality than the U.S. and virtual parity on life expectancy.

          Last time I looked, Cuba's educational outcomes were better than Mexico's, including a smaller disparity in male and female literacy  rates. All done on a much lower income per capita than Mexico.

          Cuba's human development index rank outperforms its income index rank by more than any other country in the world.

          If the U.S. had been willing to work with him, history would have been much different.

          Could we have a citation for your claim about lobbying for nuclear war? Castro was tremendously dependent on the USSR and had to carry out policies that made no sense, like send troops to Angola. Having Soviet missiles in Cuba similarly made no sense.

          •  Having Soviet missiles in Cuba made sense (2+ / 0-)
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            Castro allied himself with the distant superpower because it was the only way to avoid US domination in those days.

            Have you visited Cuba? Someone I know very well did, and found out that ordinary 16-year-old school girls played hooky to turn tricks with foreign tourists because they could get more than a month's average salary by turning one trick. This upset him to an extreme degree, and ever since his visit, and seeing the way the entire country is corrupted by the tremendous wealth disparity between the citizens and the tourists (with this being only the most graphic example he cited), he has considered Castro a pig and has no use for him. And this friend of mine is not close to being a right-winger; in fact, while he and I are both social democrats, he is to my left. So he did not arrive in Cuba with a preconceived notion that Castro was all bad on any level other than being a dictator.

            Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

            by MichaelNY on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 09:35:37 PM PST

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            •  Haven't visited (2+ / 0-)
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              I would like to and see it for myself. I've never talked to anyone who has been, but I suspect a Canadian friend of mine has and I'll ask her when I see her at a conference in April.

              As for the alliance with the Soviets, that was completely necessary under the circumstances, but I think the missiles were the USSR's idea, to pressure Kennedy to getting rid of US missiles in Turkey

              My point was only that there was a rational basis for the support Castro has received at home and abroad. From what you say, it sounds like it has ebbed quite a bit.

            •  What foreigners think about Castro or Cuba (0+ / 0-)

              is irrelevant. Its up to Cubans to decide what direction their country goes in. What the US govt. needs to do is normalize relations and lift all these ridiculous sanctions that do nothing but further hurt the Cuban people.

          •  Nobody made Castro intervene in Africa. (1+ / 0-)
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            It was his own doing, and it even irritated the Soviets to some extent. Moscow only helped after the fact, and to a limited extent.

            Compassion is not weakness, and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism.

            by Zutroy on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 01:55:20 AM PST

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        •  I don't see what any of that has to do with this (0+ / 0-)

          subject. I notice that the people who have the biggest obsession with Fidel, be they right or left, are usually those with no family or connection to Cuba, such as the old right-wing cubans who still desire to invade the island. The Cold War is over. Time to move past this Fidel obsession.

      •  Whatever happens to Cuba after Fidel (0+ / 0-)

        must be left for Cubans to decide. In the meantime, we need to stop restricting Americans liberties on travel and trade and end this nonsensical embargo which only hurts the people of Cuba, not its leaders, as has been the case with every other embargo in history. But as a Cuban-American i am grateful to Pres. Obama for at least offering a much different path than his predecessors.

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