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  •  I'm not sure how, but somehow, Republicans (9+ / 0-)

    in the early 2000s were able to steamroll Democrats on legislative initiatives, even in the absence of complete control over both executive and legislative branches. Somehow -- I think especially on tax cuts -- Republicans were able to cobble together a broad enough coalition that even their lack of a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate did not impede the legislation from going through.

    I suppose the difference is that for Republicans -- unlike the Democrats -- the filibuster has become an utterly normative and legitimate tool to use on all pieces of legislation, no matter what the issue.

    If Reid can somehow advocate for filibuster reform in the Senate, or if Dems can begin to chip away at the GOP moderates (who seem to be publically distressed at the direction of their party -- at least the moderates in the pundit class), then we might start to get somewhere.

    But there's also that pesky House to deal with. That will take more doing, because after the 2010 victory, the House was gerrymandered out of recognition, giving GOP several bulletproof new congressional districts.

    Have I ever mentioned how stupid I believe the redistricting rules to be? If the party in power can re-draw the boundaries to suit their purposes... then how is that possibly democratic? That's pure "rotten boroughs" stuff.

    Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of non-thought. -- Milan Kundera

    by Dale on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 07:38:28 AM PST

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    •  Even those Democrats who were partisan (2+ / 0-)
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      liberals weren't trying to obstruct Bush for its own sake, especially after 9/11. Bush was able to make deals with conservative Dems in Congress to get stuff passed. However, in Bush's second term, the Democratic desire to play nice and be bipartisan had waned (thanks mostly to the titanic assholery of the Republican Congressional leadership), and he didn't get very much of what he wanted.

      Hopefully (hey, could happen) Obama's presidency will play out as the reverse of that, with Republicans seeing electoral losses from obstructionism and the blame for the country's ills increasingly being attached to their refusal to work with the other side causing them to tire of stonewalling. I can hope....

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      by eataTREE on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 12:32:55 PM PST

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    •  "Somehow" (0+ / 0-)

      Both the D's and R's get their campaign contributions from the same rich fuckers.

      "Somehow" - the rich fuckers seem to get their way.

      Weird, huh?

      Theater at it's finest

      The Fail will continue until actual torches and pitchforks are set in motion. -

      by No one gets out alive on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 05:19:12 PM PST

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