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  •  Politics and Sausage (none)
    #2 is about what I'd expect. I don't find it particularly surprising or ominous. I'm sure that someone in the Pentagon is planning a war with Mexico. If it were to happen, we need to have plans for it. I know there are plans for a war with Canada. The president can't go on the air, though, and say that we were planning for war with Mexico.

    #3 as someone who was sitting safely at home with a student deferment, I respect your superior right to comment on the Viet Nam exit. I was, however, referring to more than the mass of humanity on the embassy, but also the boat people etc. A lot of people who were not high-value died none the less.

    I sincerely fear you are right about Iraq falling apart, but I think it is still up in the air and want to give them a chance to do it if they can. It's not really the same dynamics as Nam. And, getting back to the pictures, I don't like to be manipulated.

    •  On manipulation (none)
      I sincerely doubt that you are very 'manipulable'; I would, for instance, be stunned if you were for an instant fooled by this

      Snopes God Bless You!

      So, assuming we are not talking photoshop journalism, I think I must go with Mao: let all the flowers bloom!

      Someone here has mentioned the filmed scenes of the German citizens in May 1945 being forced - by our forces - to view the concentration camps in their neighborhoods and weeping - I saw a clip last month on PBS (I should have taped it, since it is sans doute 'Bill Moyer-ish' and will no doubt be burned (in a tragic accident? like the Reichstag? LOL) in the PBS vault in the next few weeks . . .)

      Better we - every one of us - see the results of our actions now rather than later.  If we have weak stomachs, we had better galvanize them, because the plan - I truly believe - was that we would be most of the way to India, from the West and perhaps also from the East, by this date.

      If we are going to be conquerors, ferxrissake let's not be pussies about it! (sez I)

      If you are going to eat the ham, you should be willing to watch the hog being slaughtered

      by Clem Yeobright on Sun May 22, 2005 at 02:48:06 PM PDT

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      •  Iran (none)
        Actually, I'm more concerned about the fact that we have base camps on both sides of Iran. And it has a nuclear program! (stop little pot stop!)

        Anyway, I agree that knowing what is going on and what is being done in our name is a good idea, but I doubt that showing a dozen pictures of young U.S. servicemen dead or in agony is the way to get a comprehensive view.

    •  Addendum re #3 (none)
      We were man enough to laugh about it at the time. The Station started 'paring down' in early April and Case Officer X would bring his files to his 'good friend' CO Y and tell him 'This is xxExuberant and she has been a terrific source for x years and she will be standing on the corner of a and b when the evacuation is broadcast in a green ao-dai and you must get her out', and the next week CO Y would be 'trimmed' and would toss xxExuberant in the burn-bag and take his assets to CO Z with the same plea . . . etc etc etc.  

      But read LeCarre or Greene and you will be able to guess the whole thing, I think.  The first pass, it is tragedy; we've done it all before so Iraq should be 100% comedy.

      If you are going to eat the ham, you should be willing to watch the hog being slaughtered

      by Clem Yeobright on Sun May 22, 2005 at 02:56:52 PM PDT

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