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  •  Except as soon as they "agreed" to this.... (6+ / 0-)

    the GOP very soon began doing exactly what many predicted:

    "We can't possibly cut defense spending that much.  We're going to have to make bigger cuts on the domestic side of the budget....we HAVE to cut SS, Medicare, Medicaid....otherwise OMG, Cliff, Squirrel, the end of democracy as we know it."

    The Simpson Bowles folks have raised well north of $35 million for a major PR campaign which is already highly visible...especially on CNBC.  The two get an hour-long interview on Thursday and it is not their first visit.

    And remember the bottom line on this....we do have a debt problem.  It was a problem largely created by (usual litany) putting two wars and a drug bill on our credit card, even as we sharply cut taxes for the wealthiest.

    And that debt problem can be resolved by....(surprise) restoring tax rates to their earlier and much fairer levels.

    It ain't so hard...except that is the ONLY thing the GOP really cares about.  They don't really give a s...t about the debt.  They really truly care about maintaining the lowest possible tax rates for the very richest Americans.  Everything else is smoke and mirrors.

    Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

    by dweb8231 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:46:11 AM PST

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    •  exactly why the optics on this are so great (11+ / 0-)

      sacred cow cage match!

      defense spending versus tax cuts...who will win?

      because the defense budget takes a 10% hit if the sequester happens, and the tax cuts expire if nothing happens.  so boehner is highly motivated to come to some kind of terms.

      Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

      by Cedwyn on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:52:36 AM PST

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      •  During the debate (7+ / 0-)

        I heard the president say that the sequester defense cuts "are not going to happen". I did not hear him say that the other spending cuts won't happen.

        I also heard him say that he and Romney are pretty much on the same page when it comes to cutting Social Security.

        So what are we to make of that?

        I suspect that on Social Security, we've got a somewhat similar position


        "Justice is a commodity"

        by joanneleon on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 09:32:18 AM PST

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        •  you mean when Romney (3+ / 0-)

          was running to the left of Obama?

          yeah that's the ticket!!  you are so transparent here.

          -You want to change the system, run for office.

          by Deep Texan on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 09:43:57 AM PST

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          •  What (2+ / 0-)
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            are you talking about?  The debate when Romney morphed into John Lennon peacenick and nobody believed a word of it?  

            In any case, how about addressing the issue in the comment?


            "Justice is a commodity"

            by joanneleon on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 09:50:47 AM PST

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            •  how about addressing the fact (2+ / 0-)

              that Romney only came close to Obama in the debates on these issues is because he ran hard left.

              stop playing.  we aren't stupid.  your comments should at least be honest.

              -You want to change the system, run for office.

              by Deep Texan on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 09:56:38 AM PST

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              •  Of course he swung to the left (4+ / 0-)
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                Who did not expect that to happen?  

                During the primaries, they go to the right to satisfy their base.  During the general they swing to the left to try to get the Independent votes.  

                My comment was not dishonest, I just had no idea wtf you were talking about since your comment had absolutely nothing to do with mine.  Now can we get back to the point? Do you have a coherent response to the actual comment or not?


                "Justice is a commodity"

                by joanneleon on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 10:09:55 AM PST

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                •  so your comment then has no merit? (0+ / 0-)

                  that's what i thought too.  thanks for agreeing!

                  -You want to change the system, run for office.

                  by Deep Texan on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 10:28:28 AM PST

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                •  context, context, context (8+ / 0-)

                  romney:

                  But the idea of a trillion dollars in cuts through sequestration and budget cuts to the military would change that.
                  blahblahblah

                  romney again:

                  The Navy said they needed 313 ships to carry out their mission. We're now down to 285. We're headed down to the — to the low 200s if we go through with sequestration. That's unacceptable to me.
                  obama:
                  First of all, the sequester is not something that I proposed. It's something that Congress has proposed. It will not happen.
                  obama is expressing his belief that a deal will be reached.

                  maybe you are referring to this, instead, since that's where he actually specified defense:

                  The budget that we're talking about is not reducing our military spending. It's maintaining it.
                  he was talking about how not increasing it by another $2 million (romney's proposal) isn't reducing it.  that he is all about making the military better, not necessarily the most equipped:
                  And so when I sit down with the secretary of the Navy and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, we determine how are we going to be best able to meet all of our defense needs in a way that also keeps faith with our troops, that also makes sure that our veterans have the kind of support that they need when they come home. And that is not reflected in the kind of budget that you're putting forward, because it just don't work.
                  this administration has expanded the hell out of veterans programs.

                  Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

                  by Cedwyn on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 10:32:22 AM PST

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      •  As someone noted.....if the debt reduction folks.. (1+ / 0-)
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        are so SINCERE about reducing the debt (as opposed to preserving low tax rates for rich folks), how come the very first action they take in their plan to deal with the debt, is to hand out 5 trillion more in tax cuts and add 2 trillion to the defense budget (un-sought by the military)?

        That makes the debt 7 TRILLION dollars larger (duh)

        I thought you guys wanted to REDUCE the debt.  How does this possibly address that?

        (Crickets....trickle down, Laffer curve, Greenspan exuberance....Atlas.......shrugged!!!!  Oh, and Bengazi and busloads of Somalis and cliff......and SQUIRREL!)

        Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

        by dweb8231 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 11:48:57 AM PST

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      •  Wait...what? (0+ / 0-)

        You spent all yesterday telling us not to talk about this kind of stuff at all because it was just rumors.  It's now all you've talked about all day.  So can we assume you were wrong yesterday and discussing the issue wasn't premature?

        And surprise surprise, you've managed to smear fucking lipstick all over that pig and insinuate it's 11th dimensional chess.  I have to say, you're ripping through your usual goal post moving schtick even faster than usual on this one.  

        I'm going to make a diary made up exclusively of quotes from you and a couple other excuse makers.  It will be fun to demonstrate to the community how the sycophants are consistently wrong each and every time, then shift argument a few times, then shamelessly declare yet another unnecessary cave an unmitigated victory, no matter the damage to the middle class.

        Just curious, if it's all a wash, why not give up Rx savings from Obamacare and get rid of chained CPI?  All a wash right, and those would be even better optics, no?

        Now tell me how it's not a wash when it's put that way.

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