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  •  what does that even mean? (2+ / 0-)
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    We are not negotiating out of the sequester
    we're on course for the sequester now.  it's law and will happen if they don't agree to something.  the sequester is the "fiscal cliff."

    Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

    by Cedwyn on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 07:03:36 AM PST

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    •  it means we are not locked to the deals (2+ / 0-)
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      That were discussed by the supercommittee.  And it means congress can just strike the sequester with the stroke of a pen.  

      They are negotiating a debt deal.  The sequester is as meaningless as it ever was unless it actually for into effect.  The numbers attached to it are nothing but a facade to scare the public, businesses, politicians.  The actual content really doesn't have an bearing in reality on the viable frameworks for a deal.

      "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

      by justmy2 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 07:12:11 AM PST

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      •  oh, where to start (0+ / 0-)
        it means we are not locked to the deals that were discussed by the supercommittee.  
        correct!  since the committee never put anything forth, everything defaults to the sequester.
        And it means congress can just strike the sequester with the stroke of a pen.
         
        exactly...which is what all these negotiations are about...legislating around the sequester.  but if they don't come up with something, the sequester is current law and will happen.
        They are negotiating a debt deal.

        right...negotiating to forestall the sequestration cuts.  boehner wants the bush tax cuts extended and doesn't want the automatic defense cuts.  meanwhile, all obama/dems have to do is...nothing.  as you say, a stroke of a pen and all that; the next congress will be even less inclined to support boehner and could legislate around any of the sequestration cuts, e.g. education and infrastructure. wouldn't it be grand to watch the GOP argue why they're voting against those things, i.e., jobs?
        The sequester is as meaningless as it ever was unless it actually for into effect.
         
        translation, please?
        The numbers attached to it are nothing but a facade to scare the public, businesses, politicians.  The actual content really doesn't have an bearing in reality on the viable frameworks for a deal.
        it sure as hell does.  if boehner does nothing, those defense cuts go through.


        Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

        by Cedwyn on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 07:49:28 AM PST

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        •  I am not sure what you are arguing... (0+ / 0-)

          you just quoted what I wrote and basically agreed with it?

          So let me go back to the original point and see if we are talking past each other...

          this what you said...

          the blueprint for negotiations (2+ / 0-)

          right now is the sequester, which exempts SS, medicare and low-income programs, and cuts defense by 10%, along with other domestic spending.

          My point is the sequester terms are not a blueprint for anything. They are simply the results if something isn't done.   So the sequester terms really have no impact on what can be negotiated.  There are no boundaries for this negotiation defined by the sequester terms. It is only a catalyst for negotiations.

          Now, I think you have said you agree with this, but seem to be saying it with want appears to be a disagreement because it contradicts your original statement.  I think you tried to imply tat SS and Medicare were somehow off limits becuase of sequester terms.

          But maybe I am missing something...was that not your intention?

          "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

          by justmy2 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:07:01 AM PST

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