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  •  Jed, I look at it differently. How is the country (11+ / 0-)

    served if the Republicans continue to go insane?

    If they can become (return to?) a Party of sanity, or even a portion of them can, then it is possible to advance the course of respect and the notion of the "loyal opposition."

    Otherwise, if sanity does NOT prevail (to the extent that Morning Joe or Schmidt or whomever is sane -- and my own sanity is indeed in doubt) then things will only get worse.  And it is indeed possible to get worse in the next two years.

    Party breakups are not pretty. We have historical examples: Federalists, Whigs and that's just the US.  

    Personally, I'd like to help them drown faster in the deep end (anvils, anyone), but it isn't clear that is the correct choice even if it is what I'd like to see.

    Oh, and regarding Steve Schmidt's pick of Palin: She was better than Ryan. Just sayin'.

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    —Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 07:35:34 AM PST

    •  Neither Palin, nor Ryan, (20+ / 0-)

      should be anywhere near the Vice-Presidency.
      The should both be working at Chik-Fil-A.

      "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift

      by American Zapatista on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 07:44:24 AM PST

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    •  She was dumber than Ryan that is for sure. (7+ / 0-)

      Frum and Schmidt may be the only moderate republicans around.  The only way the republican party survives is if they get rid of the right wing.  Boehner can do himself a great amount of good or he can find himself without a gavel in 2 years.  If he makes a deal to raise tax rates on the well to do and can get 25 or so republicans to back him he will become more powerful.  If he stonewalls Obama then he loses big time.

    •  Um... continues to (5+ / 0-)

      go insane?

      Plz,
      a party that would nominate the likes of Palin and Ryan to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency, is already insane.

      Not to mention that they can actually get the likes of Michelle Bachman & Ted Cruz elected!

      Someone plz plz throw them and anvil or an anchor, quick!

      The GOP is dog whistling pass the graveyard. Get a shovel and help them dig their own grave.

      Once they are gone, the Dems can split apart and form 2 parties: The Democratic Party & the Progressive Labor Party. Then working people might have a Party that is actually & fully on their side.

      WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Nov: Voting Rights Martyrs

      by JayRaye on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:01:48 AM PST

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      •  Spiro T Agnew? (4+ / 0-)
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        Speaking of scary choices.

        Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
        I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
        —Spike Milligan

        by polecat on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:05:36 AM PST

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        •  yikes! scary indeed. (2+ / 0-)
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          There used to be an entertaining book of quotes, but here are a few to ponder:

          http://www.brainyquote.com/...

          Looks like it has indeed taken too long to tame the women. More democratic women now in the Senate than ever before.

          Suck on that Spiro!

          WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Nov: Voting Rights Martyrs

          by JayRaye on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:23:51 AM PST

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        •  as a Marylander you have caused me a long shudder (2+ / 0-)
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          of fear and loathing.
          Our state's only defense is that he was running for governor against a Democrat who was an open and avowed segregationist. We didn't know much about Agnew, but we knew more than we wanted about his opponent:

          Agnew ran for the position of Governor of Maryland in 1966. In this overwhelmingly Democratic state, he was elected after the Democratic nominee, George P. Mahoney, a Baltimore paving contractor and perennial candidate running on an anti-integration platform, narrowly won the Democratic gubernatorial primary out of a crowded slate of eight candidates, trumping early favorite Carlton R. Sickles. Coming on the heels of the recently passed federal Fair Housing Act of 1965, Mahoney's campaign embraced the slogan "your home is your castle, protect it." Many Democrats opposed to segregation then crossed party lines to give Agnew the governorship by 82,000 votes.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/...
          I was too young to vote (voting age was 21 then), but I'm sure my parents, being big supporters of Civil Rights, voted for Agnew. Pretty ironic given Agnew's later connection to Nixon who was my father's main object of fury and hatred.

          We're not perfect, but they're nuts! -- Barney Frank

          by Tamar on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 02:22:40 PM PST

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    •  "How is the country served if the Republicans (6+ / 0-)

      continue to go insane?"
      By sending the worst of them over the edge.
      There is an existential fight brewing in the GOP, it's not just Cons Vs UltraCons, there are several factions, all pointing fingers at each other (it's delicious!).
      The success of the extremist whackjobs has rendered them incapable of picking a Nominee that can win a national election and that's not even figuring in the demographics that are all trending away from them. Same story downticket. Eventually, they will break out into open warfare, if they haven't already.
      And we on the Left and Center should encourage this fight as much as we can (without putting our fingerprints on it).
      Because a breakup of the GOP juggernaut will open up political space.
      Currently, Third Parties make up about 2% of the electorate because, practically, a vote for other than the two Bigs is a vote for irrelevance. With the GOP broken into four or five warring factions, the Dems will dominate the landscape for several cycles, until they become corrupted by untrammeled power, then, they too will break up, but along the way new configurations of political power will arise.
      Out of the ashes of the GOP: the Jeebus Party, the wRongPaul/AynRandians, the Wall Streeters (AKA the Greeed Party), the Nativists/KKK/Birchers, et cetera.
      And because the Dems can ignore them, smaller members of the Dem coalition will form their own Thirds: the Greens at one end and the (now defunct, but the members are still there) DLC at the other. The DLCrs are likely to move off and join the Greeeds, leaving the center of the Democratic Party to appeal to the center of the country (politically speaking).
      That center is a strong majority and without the dominating factor of the Greeeds distorting the Party through money, the Dem Platform and it's actual agenda can align with the majority of the people of this country.
      So, let's do all we can to encourage the GOP to self-immolate, it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of guys and it will be better for our country, the sooner they burn down.

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:18:13 AM PST

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      •  I love your 4 wings of the GOP! (0+ / 0-)

        The Jebus Party
        The Rong Paul/Ayn Randians
        The Wallstreeter/Greeeds
        Nativists/KKK/Birchers

        CLASSIC !!!

        Letting Republicans run the government is like putting Atheists in charge of a church. They don't believe in it, don't care if it works - and they take no responsibility for the results.

        by orangecurtainlib on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 10:37:59 AM PST

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    •  We need to beat GOP in 2 or 3 more election cycles (3+ / 0-)

      before we get a saner opposition party. If we can do that, we'll have a better political environment and in the process pass a lot of good progressive legislation.

      There's no guarantee that this will happen, since US politics tends to be cyclical, but it's worth working hard for.

    •  Only reason Palin in retrospect is better then (1+ / 0-)
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      Ryan is because McCain didn't die in last 4 years... Otherwise one is a dipshit and the other is some kind of libertarian fantasy jerkwad. OK done with venting my nastiness for today... Makes me a better person to get it out like intestinal gas... settles the gut. LOL

      How can you tell when Rmoney is lying? His lips are moving. Fear is the Mind Killer

      by boophus on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 09:29:55 AM PST

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    •  rec'ing your comment even though I disagree (1+ / 0-)
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      about Palin. I'm sorry -- bad as Ryan is, Palin is not better. They are both horrible in equally intense though qualitatively different ways.  

      We're not perfect, but they're nuts! -- Barney Frank

      by Tamar on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 02:14:39 PM PST

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      •  (only in polling value) (1+ / 0-)
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        I completely agree with you.  Palin caused a much bigger upward movement than Ryan could ever have hoped for.

        Neither, of course, should have been allowed within 100 yds of the Oval Office.

        Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
        I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
        —Spike Milligan

        by polecat on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:10:24 PM PST

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