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  •  Wait so what does this mean? (0+ / 0-)

    The GOP already has their supermajority since these two Dems are currently behind in their recounts?

    "If these Republicans can't stand up to Rush, how can they stand up to the Iranians?" - Redmond Barry

    by xsonogall on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 07:53:44 AM PST

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    •  What it means is that there is no result yet (6+ / 0-)

      because provisional ballots have not been counted. After they are counted, there may or may not be an automatic recount depending on the margin of victory. After any automatic recount a party can challenge and ask and pay for a second recount, which is almost always a waste of time and money. This is what Allen West is up to.

      Further, affiant sayeth not.

      by Gary Norton on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:00:00 AM PST

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      •  Ah so basically... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...if the GOP holds their leads we are screwed?

        Can Dems pull a Wisonsin State Dems move and leave to state to deny quorum? Those are some really vile people Ohio has in charge of it right now.

        "If these Republicans can't stand up to Rush, how can they stand up to the Iranians?" - Redmond Barry

        by xsonogall on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:03:18 AM PST

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        •  Ohio (6+ / 0-)

          is going to be the thorny grapevine again in 2016.

          I cannot urge enough that we get involved from all across America and win Ohio in their state elections.

          What is this I hear of sorrow and weariness, Anger, discontent and drooping hopes... Life is too strong for you-- It takes life to love Life

          by Nebraska68847Dem on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:06:34 AM PST

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        •  If their leads hold above the automatic recount (4+ / 0-)

          level, the Dems would have to pay for a recount, which may/may not be worth it.  

          For all these elections, not just Ohio, I hope that we're able to find systematic voting irregularities that can be traced back to black-box voting machines being manipulated by Republicans in the direction of solidifying their margins or even flipping races.  That, or the voting machines wind up having conveniently "lost" the records that prove the election should have gone the way they reported.  I want these election machines banned if they don't have a means to verify the results that's separate from the machines themselves (optical scanning of ballots with ballot preservation is my current preference).  

          Either way, I want the voters to not trust Republicans to count the votes fairly, have redo's, and let voters decide if they want to keep the cheaters in office.

          •  Yes. If there are facts indicating that there (3+ / 0-)
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            were election irregularities, those facts can provide the basis for a legal challenge. That is a totally separate track from pursuing the recount process to its conclusion.

            Legal challenges have had limited success historically. One of the longest was Norm Coleman's challenge in MN. Much time and money was spent in his effort to keep Franken from being seated.

            Further, affiant sayeth not.

            by Gary Norton on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 09:00:33 AM PST

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            •  That brings about the question of what "success" (4+ / 0-)

              is defined as.  The challenge to the vote wasn't successful in that Al Franken was eventually seated.  It was successful in that it kept the Democrats from having the 60th vote for many months, thereby allowing Republican filibusters to work when otherwise they might not have been able to.  The success was limited, but it did exist.

              Plus it helped me learn what a fine writer Winerev is.

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