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  •  Ad hominem because it's all you've got. (9+ / 0-)

    Your comment does nothing to undermine the position you find so offensive.

    As for posting to Red State, yeah because Red State is so opposed to austerity. They're big on protecting Social Security over there. They'd hate it if Obama caved in.

    •  and this is not ad hom? (4+ / 0-)
      And when he inevitably caves, I'm sure you will be here eating a big pile of crow.


      Who am I kidding.  When he caves you'll be here declaring him an eleventybillionth dimensional chess player, and smearing lipstick all over the Obama austerity pig and ignoring all the prattling you did about Reid's promises and Sanders' reassurances.

      discussing the situation and offering useful info is one thing.  declaring it a done deal and obama a weakling traitor just adds nothing to the convo.  i.e., there's no position to "undermine."

      howzabout people quit pretending to know what is in the heart of hearts of obama and fellow kossacks?

      Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

      by Cedwyn on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 04:54:40 PM PST

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      •  Actually, (0+ / 0-)

        no, it's not ad hom.  Not in the formal sense of logical fallacy, nor in the informal sense of a general insult.  

        And on the topic of misunderstood rhetoric and debate concepts, what you present here is called a "strawman" argument.  You really don't have a case against actual people, so you create one to attack, or elevate one sample as representative of a group when it is not.  So rather than attack people that exist or matter, you attack the people you create, ie. those 'declaring it a done deal' and those calling Obama a 'weakling.'

        Is that what you do?  Discuss the situation and offer useful info?  Because it's pretty fucking clear that most of what you do is run around telling people to NOT discuss things.  That's exactly what you do here, and it's all made possible by your cowardly bullshit strawman argument.

        What we seek to do is discuss these issues without the same parade of ass clowns screaming us down.  But having such discussions is impossible with the endless stream of sycophants who see it as their sworn duty to quash any insinuation that the President will not deliver on the values he's convinced many he holds dear and will then turn around and defend his failure to deliver.

        All we've been trying to do for four fucking years is discuss the situation and offer useful info, but people like you are constantly in the way throwing your fucking pies, screaming at strawmen, and declaring your information the only that is useful.

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