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  •  we didn't make mistakes in 2010 (5+ / 0-)

    we were right.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 03:38:00 PM PST

    •  We lost the house. Something has been wrong. (5+ / 0-)

      He who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.

      by Sophie Amrain on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 03:53:03 PM PST

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    •  What? We were right about what? n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

      by rubyr on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 03:53:40 PM PST

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      •  we were right (5+ / 0-)

        that the stimulus was too small and would peter out just in time to make 2010 a bad year. we were right that touting it as a great success and pretending that it was enough was willful blindness, when the right approach would have been to blame the republicans for its being too small, and asking for a larger democratic majority, so we could get a larger one. we were right that starting to talk about deficits was political suicide.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 04:06:41 PM PST

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    •  Dude, this place was a total waste in 2010. (6+ / 0-)

      With Kos away, it was allowed to turn into mayhem with some now banned "popular" diarists riling up "outrage" often based on total b.s. speculation and innuendo.

      Meanwhile the Republicans snuck into all kinds of state governments, gerrymandered the crap out of those states, and gave themselves a permanent majority in the house for probably the rest of the decade, unless there is a huge Dem wave election.

      That this happened was not just the Administration's fault, but also our fault.

      Always blaming everything on others is rarely a sign of reality-based analysis, and there is plenty of that type of "I'm right and everyone else is wrong" type of thinking amongst progressives.

      "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

      by Lawrence on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 03:53:49 PM PST

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      •  it was not at all our fault (5+ / 0-)
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        i agree that site dynamics got ugly, but the mass of voters weren't reading daily kos, they were looking at their unemployment benefits, their mortgages, and their bank accounts.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 04:08:15 PM PST

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        •  I'm not saying that it was all our fault. (4+ / 0-)

          It was, in a sense, a perfect storm of an election against Dems.

          Bad site dynamics on sites like DailyKos did, however, prevent us from fighting back properly.  I saw hardly any calls here to try and protect Dems on the state level in states like Penn., Wisconsin, Ohio, etc.

          Citizens United was upon us and we should have been doing everything in our power to prevent its ill effects instead of allowing some very bad apples to set us against each other.

          We desperately need to do better in 2014 because Citizens United probably ain't going away until we get a better Supreme Court.

          For example, I would like to see focus on critical state/governors races here on DKos in 2014.... they're going to need our help to combat Citizens United.

          And we, in general, need to come to the realization that the Citizens United gerrymandered reality that we now face requires us to move closer together and become a more unified force.

          "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

          by Lawrence on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 04:40:38 PM PST

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          •  i certainly don't want to revisit (0+ / 0-)

            the ugliness of 2010, particularly given that i was a popular target for some truly nasty personal attacks. but many of us did fight hard, and the front page had plenty about the key races.

            the bottom line is that to prevent another 2010 we need our elected officials to fight back harder against the republicans now and next year. they didn't in 2009 and 2010. and we need the demographic groups who sat out 2010 to be as motivated in an off year as in a presidential year. i do think a lot of people are unaware of who stayed home in 2010- it wasn't liberals.

            The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

            by Laurence Lewis on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 05:12:26 PM PST

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      •  I was insulted then and I'm insulted now... (1+ / 0-)
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        dennis1958 any attempt to make me co-equally responsible with the President for failure to confront Republicanism.

        You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

        by Rich in PA on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 04:41:12 PM PST

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    •  we didnt make mistakes? (2+ / 0-)
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      how did being right work out for us?  conservatives still think they are right about this election.   we got our asses kicked.  

    •  keep telling yourself that (2+ / 0-)
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      Every Democrat, from the top on down, helped blow 2010.

      What I think people are concerned about is a replay of the vitriol that emerged on our side during the health care debate, for instance. Because at the end of the day, those on the left who argued to kill the bill or that it did no good were dead wrong.

      Another way of thinking about it is a lesson in intra-party politics. There's a difference between having a disagreement with someone "in the family" and someone on the outside. There are a lot of stupid liberals who think that the way you work with the other components of the Democratic coalition is with the same vitriol and hyperbole we reserve for the right. It's a quick way to losing credibility and influence, especially if a particular bloc thinks it has more power than it does.

      So it's a matter of balance, which I'm sure you understand. And I think most people do, too. I don't think any of us really want to enter another midterm election with a few people on our side saying "Don't contribute, don't volunteer, don't vote." Because sometimes what's at stake isn't about right and wrong. Sometimes it's about our electoral infrastructure, and ceding redistricting to the Republicans, as we did in 2010, was an incredibly stupid mistake on our part. When something like that is at stake, it's paramount that we all understand it and try to set aside our differences, because that's the kind of structural loss that enabled Republicans to write voters suppression laws, elect people like Pat Toomey, and engage in the various other nonsense that's made peoples lives more difficult at the state and local level.

      •  not at all true (3+ / 0-)
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        some democrats were right on both policy and electoral dynamics. criticized at the time for predicting it, blamed for it afterward, the reasons why we predicted it still ignored by too many.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 04:10:38 PM PST

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