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  •  Civil War I was a deadly mistake. (2+ / 0-)
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    Why should we repeat it?

    The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

    by lysias on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:04:39 AM PST

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    •  The point is... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...we wouldn't repeat it.  They would run home to momma before they "got kill't".

      And, I would dare say that Civil War I was not a mistake insofar as the abolition of slavery was necessary.  That would not have occurred as soon as it did otherwise.

      Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power -- Benito Mussolini

      by drcraigphd on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:06:36 AM PST

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      •  To buy the freedom of the slaves would have (0+ / 0-)

        been a lot cheaper than the Civil War, even in monetary terms.  And 600,000 lives would have been spared.

        The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

        by lysias on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:20:40 AM PST

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        •  But you don't pay... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...for something like that.  Slave holders should not have been rewarded for that, and they wouldn't have accepted it anyway, since that was their only means of livelihood.  They wanted the ultimate cheap labor - like good little capitalists - and they would not have then been willing to pay for the same services.  In other words, there's no amount of money they would have been willing to accept in compensation for all future lost free labor.

          Then, like now, their ranks were filled with people who ran their mouths a bit too much and thought a bit too little, and they weren't going to back down from their rhetoric, which included war.

          Besides, even if it was a wasted war - which I don't personally agree with - it wasn't the first or last one the US has fought or will fight.  But maybe, just maybe, it was one of the most just ones we've fought.

          Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power -- Benito Mussolini

          by drcraigphd on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:27:56 AM PST

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