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  •  Well, well, what a surprise. (0+ / 0-)

    Car worship.

    It figures.

    Two billion people on this planet have never seen, never mind operated a toilet, and we all stand here to praise a car for bored billionaires who'd like to pretend that their coal fired cars are fueled by wind turbines.

    Of course, they're not.    In fact, in China, people called "scientists" have reviewed their population of 100 million electric vehicles and found that - as opposed to electric motor scooters, electric cars are dirtier, and generate more particulates than diesels.

    Environ. Sci. Technol., 2012, 46 (4), pp 2018–2024

    The authors of the paper in the primary scientific literature write as follows:

    Our findings show that replacing gasoline
    cars with e-cars will result in increased CO2 from combustion
    emissions and all-cause mortality risk from primary PM2.5
    in most cities.
     (Cf pg. 2024, conclusions section of the paper.)

    But who gives a fuck what "scientists" say?   I mean it's not like they matter like say, marketing teams.

    It doesn't matter if a technology doesn't actually work so long as it makes the miserably uninformed feel smug in their bourgeois indifference to the collapse of the planetary atmosphere.

    I personally can't wait to rush out and buy a Tesla Model S signature performance model so that I can express my innate financial and, of course, moral superiority to the roughly 50 Bengalis who would need to spend their entire annual earnings to buy 1/50 th of such a magical car.

    I mean, it's not like they're members of a wonderful culture like, um, ours.

    Of course, we will all claim that our stupid electric cars are solar powered, even if hundreds of billions of dollars, euros, yen and yuan have not made solar energy able to produce, as of 2010, just 31.221 billion kwh, which works out, for those who haven't joined Greenpeace and may thus be able to do math, 3,500 MW of average continuous power, the equivalent of maybe 3 average sized coal plants on a planet with many thousands of coal plants.

    But who cares?   Isn't it better to lie to ourselves?   Don't worry, be happy.

    Congratulations on this wonderful discovery of a car for bored millionaires making the "best car ever" list in the toxic unsustainable car culture.

    Congratulations.    Heckuva job..

    I wish there was one goddamned person in this country who even had a remote clue, but that would be, apparently, too much to ask.

    •  What are you doing on the internet?! (3+ / 0-)
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      Such a waste of energy and infrastructure costs.  Run away!

    •  The reason those e-vehicles in China produce... (8+ / 0-)

      ...more CO2 is because the country generates 86% of its electricity with coal.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:16:04 PM PST

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    •  Oh, really? (4+ / 0-)
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      Ooopsie:

      Tesla Fires Up Solar-Powered Charging Stations

      By Ashlee Vance on September 25, 2012

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      Tesla Motors (TSLA), the all-electric-car maker, has set up six of these stations alongside freeways in California to help cars complete long-distance journeys such as Los Angeles to San Francisco or Santa Barbara to Las Vegas. Tesla, which Musk co-founded and runs as chief executive officer, plans to put dozens more of the stations in California over the next year and to cover most of the U.S. by 2014.

      http://www.businessweek.com/...

      It's best to be informed before deciding to post a bunch of gobbledigook....

      "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

      by Lawrence on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:17:03 PM PST

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    •  This has been analyzed before (5+ / 0-)
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      Fixed power plants are so much more efficient than mobile ones that even with fossil fuels generating the electricity, there's less CO2 emitted if you electrify the fleet.

    •  The reason (8+ / 0-)

      Chinese scientists find electric cars to be dirty is because China generates so much of its electricity from coal-fired plants. So if you add a large electric car fleet to be charged from those plants, of course they will generate more pollution.  

      However, an electric car can be recharged from electricity generated by ANY means.  So, if the generation is via solar panels, or wind turbines, or just about anything cleaner than coal, then the pollution emissions of an electric car fleet will be lower--potentially much lower if renewable sources of electricity are aggressively promoted.  

      It is a typical right-wing meme that green energy production is impractical and will never replace fossil fueled technology, which NNadir expresses perfectly, with a twist:

      It doesn't matter if a technology doesn't actually work so long as it makes the miserably uninformed feel smug in their bourgeois indifference to the collapse of the planetary atmosphere.
      The twist, of course, is the concession to the reality of global warming.  It is clear that, due to the obstruction of the fossil fuel industry, green power generation has not got along as far as we would like.  You may recall that it was President Reagan who removed the solar panels from the White House roof that President Carter had installed.  We are talking about a President who took office thirty-two years ago! And even back then, the writing on the wall about climate change and energy production was clear.  Think of how much time has been wasted.

      As for the actual potential of solar power  in the U.S.:

      A 2012 report from the National Renewable Energy Laboratory described technically available renewable energy resources for each state and estimated that urban utility scale photovoltaics could supply 2,232 TWh/year, rural utility scale PV 280,613 TWh/year, rooftop PV 818 TWh/year, and CSP 116,146 TWh/year, for a total of almost 400,000 TWh/year, 100 times current consumption of 3,856 TWh in 2011.[8][9]

      Onshore wind potential is estimated at 32,784 TWh/year, and offshore wind at 16,976 TWh/year. The total available from all renewable resources is estimated at 481,963 TWh/year.[10]

      It is clear that the main problem is political.  If we invest sufficient resources on a large scale, the energy basis of our civilization can be transformed.  The only reason we are not moving in that direction is because of a political elite that is invested in the old fossil fuel system and would rather stick their heads in the sand than face the long-term consequences of continuing to rely on fossil fuels.
    •  China? Seriously? Have you looked at the energy (0+ / 0-)

      generation mix on the West Coast, where most of the EVs are?  Hint: not much coal.  My utility says it uses 2%.  And yes, I have solar.

      Oh yeah, and gasoline is so much cleaner, because it requires absolutely NO energy and NO emissions to explore for oil, drill for oil, pump up oil, transport oil, refine oil, transport gasoline, or run a gas station.  It also requires NO energy, NO emissions, and NO cost to run a ginormous "defense" operation to patrol the oil shipping lanes, there are so very, very few emissions coming from hundreds of millions of vehicles.

      Nice try.  Jackass.

      In capitalist America, bank robs you!

      by madhaus on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 11:52:11 AM PST

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