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View Diary: “The History We Didn’t Know” About Last Year’s Grand Bargain Negotiations (505 comments)

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  •  I'm getting real tired of Chicken Little (7+ / 0-)

    All this baseless speculation is mind-boggling, and so TYPICAL here.

    None of the evidence presented so far is anywhere near convincing.

    Not voting is NOT an option this time around.

    by AreDeutz on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 05:11:35 AM PST

    •  It's Informative (12+ / 0-)

      Speculation and opinion are the way that we figure things out here.

      You are right -- Obama and Congress haven't done anything yet. And evidence is scant about what they are plotting.

      However, if we are to effectively lobby our Congress members on the issue of Social Security and Medicare, we have to do it now, even if we don't have a lot of concrete facts on hand.

      If Obama and Congressional Dems really do intend cuts -- they will likely spring it on us with very little or even no time for discussion.

      The deal will likely be announced when it's done.

      So, we have to stake out a strong position now.

      "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

      by bink on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 05:15:50 AM PST

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    •  far from baseless (11+ / 0-)

      OBama and his Grand Bargain vision has been well documented.

    •  Where were you before the first Bush tax cut exten (1+ / 0-)
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      Don midwest

      sion? There were a lot of people here very unhappy with the deal that had been leaked, and many people responded angrily just as you are.

      1) "Oh, shit Obama's gonna cave on the tax cuts for the rich"

      2) "STFU nothing has happened yet"

      3) All the taxes are extending

      4) "Goddammit I knew it!"

      5) STFU he had to do it to save the starving children who were held hostage.

      The STFU operation starts just as fast as the speculation operation. Both have their political agendas behind them.

      The first is to pressure the President and Democrats and the second is to squash that pressure and form consensus behind the capitulation.

      It happens over and over again here on Dkos, see the diaries about not having a public option as part of ACA---the argument happened months before the deal was made, and a whole mess of people responded nastily to the people who speculated that there would be no public option.

      It happens every time, so just as Bob Swern's diary is predictable, so is your response. I don't see it ever ending.

      "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

      by ranger995 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 10:33:03 AM PST

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