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  •  He should no longer be a FBI agent (17+ / 0-)

    and he should be barred from ever working in the federal government again.

    Karl Rove can give him a job. Weakening our national security for political expedience is right down his alley.


    One may live without bread, but not without roses.
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    Bread & Roses

    by bronte17 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 06:09:13 AM PST

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    •  From what I've heard about this guy (2+ / 0-)
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      he should be fired, agreed. He violated protocol by notifying Reichert. Whether he qualifies as a whistleblower, I don't know.

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      by kovie on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 07:04:10 AM PST

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      •  From what is trickling out (2+ / 0-)
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        It almost appears as if Broadwell, with her intelligence background and security clearances, may have had concerns over Kelley's smoozing with the top brass in FL.

        Not sure who is leaking the contents of the email(s) from Broadwell to Kelley, but supposedly Broadwell told Kelley to knock it off with the smoozing of all those top brass dudes and not just Petraeus. Doesn't sound like the green-eyed jealousy thing to me.

        And, that FBI agent's sense of responsibility was totally out of whack since he moved to protect Kelley.

         


        One may live without bread, but not without roses.
        ~Jean Richepin
        Bread & Roses

        by bronte17 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:28:23 AM PST

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        •  Sounds like he was more concerned about Romney (0+ / 0-)

          But wouldn't have minded a little side thing with Kelly too. But given Broadwell's emails I doubt it was merely concern for national security. It was absolutely also romantic rivalry. I just wonder if there's more going on here.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:35:56 AM PST

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          •  I dunno about the rivalry... it's losing steam (0+ / 0-)

            very quickly with me.

            Because of her relationship with Petraeus, Broadwell may have specifically singled out his name when emailing Kelley to "stay away" from him. But, it wasn't so much a cat-fight "stay away" warning as it was to warn Kelley to stop with her smoozing.

            And, supposedly, the FIRST email that Broadwell sent to Kelley said to stay away from ALL the top brass down there in Fl that Kelley was smoozing with... and had been smoozing with for years.

            The first email sent anonymously to Jill Kelley, the Tampa, Fla., woman who reported the threatening emails to the FBI, in May referred to Kelley socializing with other generals in the Tampa area and suggested it was inappropriate and should stop, according to the source close to Kelley, who spoke with NBC News on condition of anonymity.
            It's highly likely that Broadwell was not "in love" with Petraeus, she just had a fling with a high-powered dude who jingled her bells to juice some extra excitement out of life. Doesn't mean she would move heaven and earth for the affair itself... not like she would for her children or even her husband of many years. It was a fling.

            But, her years of work and dedication to national security and intelligence work led her to suspect something with Kelley. And with Kelley possibly "working" a lot of the top brass.

            Who knows at this point. We just have to wait and see what wrings out. IF we ever remotely even know the truth.


            One may live without bread, but not without roses.
            ~Jean Richepin
            Bread & Roses

            by bronte17 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 09:41:52 AM PST

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            •  You're presuming WAY too much here (0+ / 0-)

              about Broadwell and other's mindsets, motivations and priorities. We don't know enough about any of these to be able to take things this far. All I know is that she seemed concerned about Kelly touching Petraeus. To me that signals romantic rivalry, real or imagined.

              "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

              by kovie on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 09:45:13 AM PST

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              •  But remember the sex angle is too easy (0+ / 0-)

                Telling Kelley to "stop touching" the General (under the table in what were inappropriate touching places probably) was simply letting Kelley know that Broadwell knew of Kelley's advances on the top brass and this email had particular info on Petraeus and Kelley's sexual advances on him.

                This isn't about sex. It's ultimately about national security.

                The Mati Hari here probably isn't Broadwell... as has been reported in the media. It's most likely Kelley.

                It sounds like she has been making overt sexual overtones to the top brass where she circulates.


                One may live without bread, but not without roses.
                ~Jean Richepin
                Bread & Roses

                by bronte17 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 10:13:29 AM PST

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                •  You really think that Broadwell (0+ / 0-)

                  had only the best national security intentions in mind here? Are you snarking?

                  "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                  by kovie on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 10:18:34 AM PST

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                  •  No snark. I'm very honest and earnest (0+ / 0-)

                    in my evaluation based on what I've read so far.

                    Broadwell had ended the affair prior to this. She had no romantic "attachments" to Petraeus.

                    But, Broadwell is a dedicated West Point gung-ho security-clearanced intelligence officer of many years. And her first email to Kelley was concerned with ALL the top brass that Kelley was smoozing.

                    That sounds like national security beefing up to me. And not jealousy.


                    One may live without bread, but not without roses.
                    ~Jean Richepin
                    Bread & Roses

                    by bronte17 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 10:29:44 AM PST

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                    •  How do you know that what we're being told (0+ / 0-)

                      or what she's reportedly said is true? All we really know is that she had an affair with and was clearly smitten with Petraeus and everything needs to be seen from that perspective. Someone as supposedly concerned about national security DOES NOT have an affair with the married head of the CIA while herself married.

                      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                      by kovie on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 10:36:12 AM PST

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                      •  She had a fling with a powerful man (0+ / 0-)

                        while she was writing his biography. It gave her access.

                        She cut off the affair though from what I've read.

                        And she's still a trained West Point intelligence officer who serves her country.

                        I just think there's more to this story than some simple jealous rivalry between two women.


                        One may live without bread, but not without roses.
                        ~Jean Richepin
                        Bread & Roses

                        by bronte17 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 10:57:26 AM PST

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                        •  Nonsense (0+ / 0-)

                          The moment she started an affair with him, given his position, all of her credibility and concern about national security went out the window. As did his, especially in light of his misuse of government computers to communicate with her.

                          And I haven't read anything to the effect that she cut off the affair. Apparently he did that, at his superiors' urging, and out of self-preservation.

                          I can't believe you're asserting that she's some sort of hero here.

                          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                          by kovie on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 11:16:54 AM PST

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                          •  Not even remotely suggesting that she's a heroine (0+ / 0-)

                            in all this.

                            I hung her out to dry yesterday.

                            But, there's more to the story than a jealous woman.

                            And I can't find the article that said Broadwell ended the affair and Petraeus kept emailing her afterward to rekindle. The Chicago Tribune says they both decided to end the affair.

                            Anyway, the emails from Broadwell to Kelley said, I know what you're doing and not "stay away from my man."

                            The nature of the emails, according to the source, who was briefed on their contents, was "I know what you're doing" and similar suggestions that someone was onto Kelley. There was no explicit threat of violence.


                            One may live without bread, but not without roses.
                            ~Jean Richepin
                            Bread & Roses

                            by bronte17 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 11:47:53 AM PST

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                          •  Obviously a lot more to this than (1+ / 0-)
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                            a jealous women, but I still think that part of it, however ultimately minor. Telling another women to not touch your married lover at the time seems self-evidently something that a jealous woman might say to a perceived rival, even if there might be more to it than that. But this thing has so many parts that it's way too soon for anyone to draw and hard conclusions from it except that this stinks.

                            Greenwald, Romero and others are now voicing concerns about the civil liberties and government intrusion aspects of this case, which normally I'd agree with but given who the principals in this scandal are, I'm less concerned with. When you're the head of the CIA or hold a very high military post, your rights to privacy are somewhat diminished for blindingly obvious reasons, although of course a lawful process must be followed even in such surveillance and investigation.

                            And what's the deal with the 20-30k emails between Kelly and Allen? Even if their relationship was purely personal, where did he find the time given his duties? Who the hell was running the war in Afghanistan and what was his obsession with this apparent socialite? Was she somehow working for the military or CIA or such, helping with surveillance of suspected "evildoers"? Was she helping to arrange "social events" for military personnel of the sort that Tampa was famous for? Was she a GOP operative and if so what were Allen and Petraeus's involvement in that? And was Broadwell just his mistress, or was her involvement in this deeper?

                            Surreal.

                            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                            by kovie on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 12:19:59 PM PST

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                          •  Yep. (0+ / 0-)

                            I think that about nails it.

                            Although let's add a little more...

                            The Kelley and Allen emails... according to Fox... with its nasty little shivs everywhere... said the emails were the equivalent of "phone sex." I mean... why else would a very busy General stay glued to his email during a war?

                            And Jill Kelley was an "Honorary Consul" of the Republic of Korea (South Korea) and she invoked her "diplomatic immunity" over her lawn. Or something. TPM has the story.

                            Not sure whether to laugh at Kelley or be seriously concerned that she managed to squeeze some pretty big brass balls on the side at CENTCOM dinner events over the years.


                            One may live without bread, but not without roses.
                            ~Jean Richepin
                            Bread & Roses

                            by bronte17 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 07:46:32 PM PST

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