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    a good friend here in NC who spent most of last week vetting provisional ballots.  It is a tedious, multi-staged process, and there were many, many provisionals to research, but they get counted just like any other ballot.  

    The big difference in the counting is that the "regular" vote totals are counted electronically the night of the election, while the provisional totals are not finalized until canvass day, Nov. 16, allowing voters time to provide the BOE any information needed to confirm that they are eligible, like proof of residency.

    The other difference is that voters can check to see whether their ballot was counted.  How?  They are given a PIN number that enables them to check on their ballots status after canvass day, and if it was not counted, the reason why.

    I think the whole "they don't get counted" thing is disinformation designed to discourage voters.  I had at least two voters walk away without casting them, and "they don't get counted" was their stated reason.  My daughter was challenged by "observers" in NM, because her name had a one letter misspelling, and she also declined a provisional since "it wouldn't get counted anyway".  Arrrgggghhhh!

    I have to wonder, how many more down-ticket races would have been denied to the GOP if those potential provisional voters had cast their ballots?

    "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

    by Bcre8ve on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 09:26:04 AM PST

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    •  Thanks for the great information... (13+ / 0-)

      ...and dispelling a myth that was lodged in my own head.  I consider myself fairly astute when it comes to politics and conduct of elections, but didn't know how the provisional ballot process worked.  I appreciate the explanation!

      "Mitt who? That's an odd name. Like an oven mitt, you mean? Oh, yeah, I've got one of those. Used it at the Atlas Society BBQ last summer when I was flipping ribs."

      by Richard Cranium on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 10:28:50 AM PST

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      •  I've (10+ / 0-)

        worked as an election judge for more than a dozen years, and as the provisional ballot person for close to ten, and even I didn't know exactly how and when they were counted until I became friends with someone who actually does the counting.  My trainers this year didn't even know that our provisional envelope is actually a voter registration form in case the voter is not registered so that they will be for the next election.

        And we have a very good BOE.

        So don't worry, you're in good company.  One of the reasons is that the poll workers issuing them don't seem to know exactly how they work.  And considering that most of these poll workers spend about 15 minutes of their training on provisionals, and that's done once, or for some of them once every 2 - 4 years, that won't change anytime soon.  If you don't understand them, you certainly won't be able to convince the voter that theirs will count.

        The stories I could tell ...

        "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

        by Bcre8ve on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 11:21:31 AM PST

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    •  Thanks for this good post, Bcre8ve (1+ / 0-)
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      MichaelNY

      There is so much bunk floating around about provisionals. Working the in-person early vote room on election day, when everyone was required to vote provisional there to ensure they did not also go to their precinct polling place, we had people screaming at our pollworkers "I won't vote provisional!" They were great; they were explaining the process to voters and convinced many to go to their own precincts.

      Luckily, we have no "observers" in Ohio that can challenge you (we did have regular observers from the local GOP but they didn't bother anyone and played a lot of video games on their phones.) We have corrected name spellings, changes of last name, transposed social security digits etc etc, and all those ballots are good without even a question.

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

      by anastasia p on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:17:36 PM PST

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