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  •  A tweak to #1 (0+ / 0-)

    For the sake of clarity, I'd add a sentence at the beginning of #1:

    All citizens aged 18 and over have the right vote, and to have their duly cast votes counted, in all public elections within their jurisdiction.

    "In an individual, selfishness uglifies the soul; for the human species, selfishness is extinction." -Cloud Atlas, by David Mitchell

    by rigcath on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 11:31:38 AM PST

    •  Already exists (1+ / 0-)
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      No need to repeat something that is already a fundamental Constitutional Right.

      You can currently sue if your right to vote is abridged.  And the "18 and over" text is the entire point of Amendment XXVI so that does not need to be included.

      Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

      by Wisper on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 11:35:03 AM PST

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      •  Bullshit. We had a Kossack (0+ / 0-)

        whose absentee ballot in this election was thrown out because the county said the signature didn't match.  They contacted the elections people and asked for the ability to go and verify their signature to have their vote counted, but were denied, and had their legal petition thrown out of court.  

        The only thing you can sue on is if procedures weren't followed, or if you can prove beyond all doubt that you were discriminated against on the basis of race or some other specifically protected category.  And even then, results have never been overturned on that basis.

        Moreover, there is no current explicit right to equal access to voting.  They misallocate resources to punish and obstruct their political opponents BRAZENLY and there NO CONSEQUENCES.  How fucking dishonest do you have to be to claim we're already protected?

        "They fear this man. They know he will see farther than they, and he will bind them with ancient logics." -The stoner guy in The Cabin in the Woods

        by Troubadour on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 11:56:33 AM PST

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        •  Then change the law (0+ / 0-)

          Not sure what state or district this event to which you refer occurred.. but you'd have to look at the laws.

          If there are laws in place about how to handle questionable signatures or how to verify absentee ballots, etc then the question becomes "Did the local officials follow that procedure?".

          If they did and you think its bullshit, then do one of two things:  1) If it is bullshit because the law is unfair, you could sue on civil grounds claiming institutional disenfranchisement or 2) If the law is valid as written but you think it is bullshit because we should have a better way to handle ballots, then you should work to change the law.

          We are a nation of laws, not men or good intentions.  Set the laws.. make them public..and ensure they are followed.  

          And there are a LOT of laws to guarantee equal access to voting.  We used those very same laws, amendments, rights and clauses to defeat the Voter ID laws/early voting restrictions/new registration rules many times this year in many states.  "Equal Access" is a powerful phrase in jurisprudence.  To say we need more puts the burden on you to make your argument as to why; to say we have none puts the burden on you to establish that you aren't just ranting about some crazy shit in absurdia.

          I don't understand what you are getting at here: Current laws not being enforced or the need for new laws to enshrine new rights?

          Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

          by Wisper on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 12:19:29 PM PST

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