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  •  I read and re-read but missed something. (7+ / 0-)
    The Constitution of Florida provides for impeachment and removal from office for officials who have committed misdemeanors or worse crimes.
    Doesn't this require that he be convicted first?

     I'd love to see him get his comeuppance.

    "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." Richard K. Morgan

    by sceptical observer on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:01:44 PM PST

    •  His republican legislators are as guilty (6+ / 0-)

      so someone has to start some sort of process.

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      by Vetwife on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:10:10 PM PST

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      •  If Scott is unpopular, why is the legislature GOP? (3+ / 0-)
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        Wasn't there just an election that included members of the Florida legislature?

        I am puzzled that the State could vote Democratic, but both houses stay Republican.

        A better bet would be a recall campaign.  Congressman Darrell Issa pretty much single-handedly financed a recall for Democratic Governor Gray Davis (not a bad guy at all) in hopes that he, Issa, could be voted in as Governor.  California got the "Governator" instead, who proceeded to govern so badly that California is still struggling to undo the fiscal damage he caused.  Didn't do his marriage much good during that period either.  A real "family values" kinda guy.  Not.

        Getting a recall campaign going seems far easier than the uphill battle of an "impeachment".  So forget about this perhaps well-intended but fairly goofy petition and focus on finding someone to finance a RECALL.  If Scott's popularity is down in the 30s he should be an easy target.  The important thing is to find a charismatic and eloquent Democrat who is willing to take on the challenges of trying to govern Florida right now, during a period that is far from its happiest economic period.

        Any thoughts as to who might do it?

    •  I read the words "have committed" to leave the (13+ / 0-)

      judgement up to the body trying the impeachment. If the constitution intended to mean "has been convicted of",for me at least, that's what it would say.

      Forty years ago I did a college paper on Warren Hastings, the Governor-General of the British East India Company who had been impeached and was being tried in the House of Lords at the very time the Framers were debating the language of the federal Constitution. It was especially timely because, as you may remember, there was a lot of talk about impeaching the President, who later resigned.

      The thrust of the paper was the understanding of the Founders when they wrote the federal impeachment language. In debate one of them, I can't recall which, said on the floor of the constitutional convention "Warren Hastings committed no felony" or words very like that. In fact, Hastings had never been convicted, or even accused, of any criminal offense in any court.

      While the Florida Constitution may be a whole 'nother animal, sadly I've come to agree with then Rep. Gerald Ford when he said in Congress (regarding impeaching Chief Justice Earl Warren) "An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of this House says it is."

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      by DaNang65 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:14:39 PM PST

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    •  Impeachment is the trial... (7+ / 0-)

      My understanding is that the impeachment is the trial, for two reasons.

      First, the 'crime' for which someone can be impeached isn't always breaking a specific law, but in betraying the trust of the governed to the point where they can't effectively govern. That's a political judgement, not a legal one, so it needs to be determined by the political branch of government, not the judicial.

      And second, the legislature is responsible for self-enforcement because the alternative is for the judicial branch to have too much power over the legislature, such as (for example) being able to "arrest" all legislators who are about to vote to cut the police budget so that their budget passes. As a side effect of this, legislators can't generally be arrested by the police, but only warned - they would actually be arrested by the legislature's own people. That's why legislators can't be arrested on the way to/from the legislature, etc.

      •  No (3+ / 0-)
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        Impeachment is pressing of charges to remove.  The trial is an actual trail to remove.  Two separate processes.  In some states (i.e., Nebraska) they are done together (no second legislative chamber there).  Don't know about Florida.

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