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  •  Miami Herald on the possibility:not likely (23+ / 0-)

    Herald

    Only the state House has the power to impeach a governor -- by a two-thirds vote -- and more than two-thirds of the House members are Republicans like Scott. If he were impeached, he would be tried by the Senate, where 28 of 40 members are Republicans.
    That was in April 2011. The petition was up then.

    "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

    by BlueStateRedhead on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:11:33 PM PST

    •  And that, I'm afraid (11+ / 0-)

      is the long and short of it.

      “Meditation is the only intentional, systematic human activity which at bottom is about not trying to improve yourself or get anywhere else, but simply to realize where you already are.” Jon Kabat-Zinn

      by DaNang65 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:20:28 PM PST

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      •  That was before the voting mess... Not sure (3+ / 0-)
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        the feds can't get involved !!!

        We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

        by Vetwife on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:21:43 PM PST

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        •  There may be ways for the Feds to get involved, (12+ / 0-)

          like actually convicting the sitting governor of some sort of voting rights violation, but alas, impeachment isn't one of them.

          If Scott were to be impeached it would be a matter of Florida state law, as provided in the state constitution.

          “Meditation is the only intentional, systematic human activity which at bottom is about not trying to improve yourself or get anywhere else, but simply to realize where you already are.” Jon Kabat-Zinn

          by DaNang65 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:27:18 PM PST

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          •  I wonder what the city managers have...Seriously (3+ / 0-)
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            they were talking this up BEFORE the election.
            I know they are talking to local governments in the state.
            That man can't even talk here lately.  Yeah I agree he could be  arrested and then impeached or others could be named or maybe we have a Gen. Patton out there who could do what he did in a corrupt Phenix city Alabama.....From wikepedia (heard about it all my life)

            the post's commander, Gen. George S. Patton, threatened to take his tanks into the city and clean it out himself if the state didn't do something about it (Patton was shortly thereafter transferred and the city remained the haven for gambling, prostitution and drug dealing that it had been).

            We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

            by Vetwife on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:35:54 PM PST

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        •  Vetwife - two comments (8+ / 0-)

          Is there a typo in your sample letter addressed to the US Senate? Congress would play no role in the impeachment of the Gov of Florida. Shouldn't the letter be addressed to members of the Florida House where the impeachment process would need to start?

          The US Department of Justice, rather than Congress, could be involved if they felt that Scott had violated federal law in how he conducted the election. A federal indictment would certainly improve the case to remove Scott. In Florida the governor can only be removed by legislative impeachment. In California the people can recall a governor through the referendum process, but that remedy is not available in Florida. Unless you can convince 2/3rds of the members of the Florida House to begin an impeachment process, based on my reading of the Florida Constitution, I think you are at a dead end.  

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:32:44 PM PST

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    •  BSR.. that petition was not up because (3+ / 0-)
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      we had not had lines and vote supression in April 2011.
      This petition and there are hundreds....New.   There have been a lot of petitions and I sign them all.   I still do not know how Terry Schavo case got all the way to the house of representatives but to me this affected the people and an oath of office.  

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:27:26 PM PST

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      •  Well the article is from 4/2011 about petitions (3+ / 0-)
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        ...on Facebook and change.org. Same ones, who knows. The point is that impeachment is a matter for your legislature to decide. and as you say, there you have little chance.

        The oath of office was likely to support the constitution of the state of Florida.

        "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

        by BlueStateRedhead on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:35:54 PM PST

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      •  Schiavo/congress. here's how. Warning. ugly (4+ / 0-)

        and could have gotten seriously uglier. like guns drawn constitutional crisis.

        When Schiavo's parents ran out of appeals in Fl state court, the Congress passed a law to make a federal case out of it [literally].

        On March 21, Congress passed a bill, S.686, that allowed Schiavo's case to be moved into a federal court. ....It passed the Senate on Palm Sunday afternoon unanimously, 3-0, with 97 of 100 Senators not present. .... Meanwhile, in the House of Representatives, ...with 174 Representatives (74 Republicans and 100 Democrats) not present on the floor at the time of the vote.
        At the time, there was a great deal of concern over what would happen if the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) or the Florida National Guard were ordered to take custody of Schiavo. As FL. Judge Greer had ordered all Florida law enforcement to enforce his orders, any attempt by other police forces to take Schiavo would have most likely have led to a confrontation between them and the members of the Pinellas Park Police Department at the hospice. If this had happened, it may have very well caused a Constitutional Crisis.
        wiki

        "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

        by BlueStateRedhead on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:49:52 PM PST

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    •  You get your news from the newsmen? (2+ / 0-)
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      And what you can/can't do?

      Trying and failing is just as good as trying and doing (if not better Red).

      You probably realize the impact of the stories of random woman having no redress to vote after purged for sig, ppl being directed one place (then FL locking the doors and calling police, only when no one left would they finally let them vote). Impact stays when Official Proceeding.

       How does showing really blatant Election Fraud by an R not help? Especially if doomed to failure. How does that make the current Congress look good by rubber stamping?  I'd help even if were losing BATTLE, because the war is the perception of VOTING (Fraud v. Election FRAUD) one actually happens and matters. And opens the dialogue for Obama's off the cuff acceptance speech. Battle v. War. You sacrifice one for the other. The war is and should be an amendment to the constitution re voting.

      Not to mention saying, eh ok. Is totally against the principles this country was founded upon. Impeachment was specifically put into the Articles, and Constitution.

      When our Founding Fathers met during the deliberations of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia (May-Sept. 1787), they established the impeachment process as the constitutional remedy for those public servants who would potentially violate the public trust. The impeachment process was part of the carefully crafted system of checks and balances, separation of powers, and limited government with the consent of the governed, and other enlightened principles inherent to a constitutional republic.

      I think we'd agree, as they felt, in deeming "a republic to be the best and highest form of government . . . a government based on the judicious rule of law rather than the capricious rule of man, and ultimately enforced by the ordinary citizenry.---->I think Vetwife and the others should be applauded for actively being citizen participants, whether or not likely. If not, what the hell is the point?

      It is in the Constitution exactly so that it is a constant check against totalitariasm, monarchy. The Founding Fathers recognized the fact that our public servants, our elected representatives and other government officials, were fallible men who could be corrupted and could break the chains binding them to the constitution to commit untold government mischief and subvert the republic.

      James Madison, the father of our constitution, in The Federalist Papers (No. 51) asserted regarding the need of impeachment: "It may be a reflection of human nature that such precaution may be necessary. But what is government but the greatest of all reflections on human nature?"

      See also Franklin stating it necessary to check and keep country a Republic (rather than resort to assassination).

      Giving a corrupt politician another year, because it is easier is not democracy. Plain and simple. It is the opposite.

      Last time I'll post that to ppl not seemingly getting big pic.

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