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    Are you playing devil's advocate, or do you really want to engage in a chicken and egg discussion?

    These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people... -Abraham Lincoln

    by HugoDog on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 07:37:03 PM PST

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      anti worker. DLC Third Way type? The folks responsible for gutting the economy? Owners after the depression showed some sense of social responsibility compared to today. The depression scared them. And these attitudes are going to continue until they get a good scare again. No violence, that is unacceptable, but they need to be taught a lesson. A few good labor actions and strikes would be real helpful. Without workers the capitalists would be left to do the work. And we all know how much capitalists like to do real work, don't we? Let the managers and executives of big box stores deal with customers, stock shelves and stand on their feet all day. Let the coal mine owners go down into the mines and dig for coal. lets see papa john make pizzas 12 hours a day for minimum wage.

      It is bad enough I have to hear this crap on Facebook. People on this website should know better than to be antiworker.

      •  Whoa Nellie.... (0+ / 0-)

        Not anti worker at all....we need both workers and providers of capital.

        But I don't think there are any saints in this play.  On this site we tend to look at the world in black and white when we really operate in shades of grey.  

        Are some managers idiots?  Of course.  Do providers of capital look out for their money first?  Of course.  Does labor occasionally overstep.  Of course.

        Is there an imbalance right now between providers of capital and labor.  Yes.  Is it the fault of capital?  Not really, they just are doing what they are programmed to do.  That ain't going to change, and they can take their money elsewhere: witness Hostess - the debt providers decided not to play ball anymore.

        Solutions: certainly more regulation on financial services, more education so workers can be competitive in a technologically complex and global environment.  Strikes - sure, bring attention to the situation, but don't hold your breath that they will work - sounds kind of 20th century....

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