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  •  Not literally 'asked of' a man, but mentioned (0+ / 0-)

    quite a few times in the last few days, actually, about one of my professor's old bosses in private practice and peers at his previous teaching institution. Uniformly mentioned men that he felt were too old for their positions at this point. And it came up among some of my classmates in reference to one of our professors. Both men.

    I can certainly believe that this can be a form of sexism, but I'd be quick to offer that this is one of those 'dog whistles' that was too subtle and is dying harder over the generation gap than others.

    Is this just math that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?

    by ConfusedSkyes on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 09:00:14 AM PST

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    •  Women who bear the brunt of childrearing (40+ / 0-)

      get a later start on careers, or have to take a break that sets them back.

      Being able to do a job is about more than the date on a calendar.

      And being discussed privately is a lot different than being asked the question PUBLICALLY by a nepotism hire.  Surely, we can agree on that.

      Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at Texas Kaos.

      by boadicea on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 09:09:47 AM PST

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    •  We talk about it with men, I'm sure they do with (4+ / 0-)
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      some of the old codgers in Congress now. But behind their back.
      Doubtful anyone would presume to ask mitch the same question about his senate role.
      Though I can imagine Luke asking Hoyer the question if Pelosi stepped down and he wanted position.

      Maybe they just don't ask republicans because they are the party of mean old men.

    •  OK, I don't think you understand the question (17+ / 0-)

      that was asked of Pelosi vs.what was purportedly asked of your prof's old bosses/peers.  

      There DOES come a point in life where age may impact one's ability to do a job.  Therefore, if Pelosi had significant age-related health problems, or was showing signs of age-related dementia, or whatever...OK, fine, legitimate question and one that should probably have been asked of people like Strom Thurmond, who practically needed to be propped up in his chair toward the end of his tenure in the Senate.

      But that's NOT what is going on here.  Pelosi is perfectly physically and mentally capable of doing her job.  Russert's question was simply not legitimate to the point of being idiotic.  

      I suppose you COULD argue that it was just some kind of "generation gap" bullshit, but if that were the case, why isn't the question being directed at male leadership?  Hell, why not ask Boehner if it's time to turn these over to someone younger and more sober?

      To be perfectly honest, if you are actually younger than Luke Russert, I'm not sure your personal experience on this issue ("I've heard rumors!" "I've seen sexism in person!") is helpful at all.  This may be one of those situations where older people and women might know a bit more about the broader context of Russert's stupid question than you do.

    •  I have a feeling your professor is older (1+ / 0-)
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      than Pelosi...

    •  Men say this about each other behind each other's (6+ / 0-)

      backs, and we say worse, too.  But would you recommend that you stand up in public and ask this same old boss if he should step aside to make room for young men in the same practice?  Yeah, you wouldn't and neither would your brave male professor or your male classmates.  Most men, old and young, are cowards when challenging each other about being too old to hold on to power, but oh so brave when challenging women.

      Your tenured professor can challenge his colleagues for being too old to retain their positions because he won't lose his job for saying it.  But he won't.

      Luke Russert should learn something from this schooling by Pelosi, but he won't, because he didn't get his job because he's the brightest or most accomplished reporter, he got it because his father's friends gave him the job without any previous experience or qualifications.

      "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of the United States of America -9.75 -6.87

      by Uncle Moji on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 12:52:34 PM PST

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      •  finally! Li'l Luke got his job because his daddy (2+ / 0-)
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        died and it really shook up all daddy's co-workers who thought Daddy Tim was the cat's meow.

        Tim Russert's charms were always pretty opaque to me, but there were people who thought the sun rose & set in him. THEY were the ones who set Li'l Luke up.

        Too bad the old man's friends thought it was a good idea to start the kid so close to the top, without giving him some time to gain experience. (Nothing could have helped improve the native intelligence.) I don't even know if the kid was even interested in working in journalism.

        "real" work : a job where you wash your hands BEFORE you use the bathroom...

        by chimene on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 08:14:51 PM PST

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