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  •  Obama was speaking to both sets of voters (12+ / 0-)

    in this election.

    I typically enjoy A Siegel's diaries, but feel he parsed this one a little too closely and may have passed over the more general, inclusive acceptance of his stance to act upon man-made emissions and climate change impacts that Obama is trying to engender in even the skeptical voters.  

    He's a politician trying to bring out support in a manner which is his style, a patient manner which uses build-up.  It's not everyone's style or even preferred when some of us see these issues as long-overdue, but he has always been about gradualism - and, that includes softening the electorate enough to come to his side of things.

    "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

    by wader on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 05:50:27 PM PST

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    •  You really (10+ / 0-)

      won't like the LA Times take then:  Obama signals he's putting climate change on back burner

      The fact that climate change got some attention at Wednesday’s presidential press conference could be viewed as progress by environmentalists, after they watched the issue go virtually ignored during the just-concluded campaign.

      President Obama made many of the right sounds for activists on the issue. In response to a question from the New York Times’s Mark Landler, Obama said America must “make sure that this is not something we're passing on to future generations, that's going to be very expensive and very painful to deal with.”

      But the president also signaled that reducing carbon emissions comes nowhere near the top of his agenda, at least as he looks forward to the start of his second term.

      In terms of his gradualism, as I highlighted in this diary, he has said many of the same things about 'education' in the past. His past language was FAR more forceful than what we've heard in the past several years. He chose not to address climate change seriously during the Presidential campaign.  There are many reasons for serious caution when it comes to the President on climate change.

      Blogging regularly at Get Energy Smart NOW! for a sustainable energy future.

      by A Siegel on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 06:07:51 PM PST

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      •  That articles doesn't seem to offer anything (7+ / 0-)

        which I haven't seen or understood thus far.

        A carbon tax would be impossible to pass with this Congress, for example.  He could push the Senate to lower taxes on the top 1% every month of the next two years and the House Republicans will never agree to caps.

        I felt he used the right language for the press audience, given that the other side of the electorate still has many voices calling for secession from the union due to his position of power in government.  As usual, he'll look for how to move on climate change through means that Congress can't touch as easily, I figure.

        Still, his pace of gradualism taxes even my incrementalist tendencies and patience oftentimes, so none of this is unfortunately a surprise.

        And, that's why I'm not upset about his response.  My expectations in this area have already been set rather low.

        "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

        by wader on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 06:27:08 PM PST

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      •  President Obama has done far (3+ / 0-)
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        more to address the issue of climate change than simplistic critics like yourself ever will. Doubling the fuel economy standards (which received virtually no coverage in either the MSM or the blogosphere) did more to reduce carbon emissions than any action taken by an American President.

        He has invested many billions into green energy, modified dozens of EPA regulations to maximize their environmental benefits and yet you complain that he hasn't done enough to satisfy you.

        I say: Too fucking bad!

        Here's my take on it - the revolution will not be blogged, it has to be slogged. - Deoliver47

        by OIL GUY on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 10:35:21 PM PST

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    •  Right, except saying it's "not a partisan issue" (2+ / 0-)
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      is admitting that he himself, a Democrat, isn't going to be risking much more on air pollution issues (which is really what is causing climate change) than Republicans, because it is "politically difficult."

      Once in office, most ambitious politicians primary goal is not "making the world a better place," but getting re-elected.

      And just as he has spent the last four years more concerned about getting re-elected, than standing up to the Republicans, or for any specific issue/s, he's not expecting anyone in Congress to display any more courage than he has.  

      It is sad, and has terrible implications for everyone's future.

      •  No, it doesn't mean this (1+ / 0-)
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        saying it's "not a partisan issue" is admitting that he himself, a Democrat, isn't going to be risking much more on air pollution issues
        It means he knows not much is likely to get through Congress, though he will try, and it also shows understanding for Democrats like Senator Manchin of WV and Senator Landrieu of LA, whose states depend on coal and oil, respectively.

        He will take more actions through regulations by Executive agencies.

        Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

        by MichaelNY on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 01:39:47 AM PST

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        •  When he gets out front on this (0+ / 0-)

          and starts making serious speeches about the issue, or in any way pushes Americans or Congress on the eminent danger of climate change, wake me up.

          •  It doesn't matter what he says (0+ / 0-)

            in the sense that the Republicans who control the House are climate change deniers and won't vote for anything worth a damn. So he has to act by Executive order and regulation.

            Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

            by MichaelNY on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 12:19:49 PM PST

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            •  But needs to talk about climate change (0+ / 0-)

              to have support for those measures ... and to help elect a Congressin 2015 who will support action.

              Blogging regularly at Get Energy Smart NOW! for a sustainable energy future.

              by A Siegel on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 08:07:44 PM PST

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              •  What chances do you think Democrats have (0+ / 0-)

                to regain the House in 2014? My feeling is, barring something egregious like the Republicans impeaching the president for jaywalking, less than 1%.

                Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

                by MichaelNY on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 08:58:30 PM PST

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                •  Even w/redistricting ... (0+ / 0-)

                  I believe the odds would be high if OFA's organizational and resource talents are put to work to support this.  A 435 district effort, with the President putting some real energy into it, and an unending discussion of the House being obstacle to policies to help Americans ...  Count me the eternal optimistic pessimist ... or pessimistic optimist.

                  Blogging regularly at Get Energy Smart NOW! for a sustainable energy future.

                  by A Siegel on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 04:35:16 AM PST

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                  •  But what's the basis for your optimism (0+ / 0-)

                    in this situation? Please give another example of a midterm election in which the party of the president won 20 seats or more in the House.

                    Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

                    by MichaelNY on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 03:10:30 PM PST

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