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  •  What? You're kidding I hope. (18+ / 0-)

    Just because urban is mostly dems and rural is mostly repubs does NOT mean that the educated, productive people only live in urban areas.  You sound like the GOP in reverse.

    I happen to be from a rural area, am quite educated, thank you very much, and am and always have been extremely productive.  Many of the people I associate with are also educated and productive.

    I also voted for Obama as did all of the people closest to me.  Thanks for writing us off.

    •  and yet it is the rural areas that go RED. (8+ / 0-)

      I agree with the poster as far as my experience proves that we all get used to our environment. Well, most of us. Some, like you, transcend it.  

      My family has been rural since Jamestown, and it has had both good and bad, open-minded and close-minded, admirable and regrettable folks ever since. One side of the family are Cosmic Possums (look it up) and Progressive Democrats. We have college and military on our resumes, and generally like NYC and Paris. The other side, listen to Rush, vote Red, and look forward to the annual bus trip to Las Vegas. I'm sober when I hunt. My cousins sank their duck boat.

      But going to college doesn't open your mind, you have to want to do it. Cooking with folks with a different heritage DOES open your mind, but ordering take-out cashew chicken isn't quite the same thing.

      Is it ?

      •  Where you live also has to do with CHANGE. (5+ / 0-)

        Urban areas exemplify change. Of course, some of us resist some of it, but there is an inevitability to urban renewal and refreshment. Like having to move around a lot (my career required several transfers from area to area), urbanity requires realistic adaptation.

        Sure, rural areas change, too, but it looks to me like the pace of change is slower, considerably slower, if not less inevitable. And my good friends in suburban areas who haven't moved out of the first home they lived in as a couple tend - tend - to live in intellectually gated communities.

        As marketers have known for decades, where you live has a great deal to do with who you are and what your preferences are in everything from consumer goods to politics.

        I'm just sayin'.

        FORWARD to 2014: Win back the House. Build up the Senate.

        by TRPChicago on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 06:47:35 AM PST

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    •  Not sure if anyone wrote you off so much (2+ / 0-)
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      Mayfly, Killer of Sacred Cows

      as took a look at the map/data . . .

      Them's the results, like it or not.

    •  just wanna say glad you spoke up book /eom (3+ / 0-)
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    •  Agreed (4+ / 0-)

      Correlation is not causation.    How easily that is forgotten.

      I thought the put-down of rural people as uneducated and especially as unproductive was offensive and untrue.  Productive by what standard?

      I've spent a fair amount of time living and knowing folks in urban, suburban, and rural areas.  I think the primary causal factor is the relative homogeneity or heterogeneity of each area, and the proclivity of some people to choose to be reclusive within selected contained communities.   Though there can be population diversity in rural areas, that sure doesn't mean there is racial community diversity....or especially, religious community diversity.  A lot of people only mingle with others who attend the same church.  

      Others far more learned than me have written about the effects self-imposed community boundaries.  I haven't read all the comments to this diary yet, but I'll be surprised if someone has already cited sources on the topic.

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