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  •  Might be for more than a bit (1+ / 0-)
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    mightymouse

    I see no way that NY is going to get the aid it asked for.

    •  If house Repubs make that a line in the sand (1+ / 0-)
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      they will pay dearly for it politically.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 07:23:56 AM PST

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      •  I'd like to think that (0+ / 0-)

        but I suspect I'd be fooling myself.

      •  when do they have to make this payment? (0+ / 0-)

        The Democrats haven't shown ability to win the House.

        An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

        by mightymouse on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 07:31:14 AM PST

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        •  Really? Er, 2006 & 2008... (2+ / 0-)
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          Gerrymandering bought the GOP some time, but demographics and politics are going to kill them in the end if they don't change. There's a lot of sympathy for Sandy victims plus the affected areas are important in the US supply chain infrastructure for energy and goods. They'd be foolish to oppose this.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 07:34:02 AM PST

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          •  2006 and 2008 were anti-GOP waves (0+ / 0-)

            driven by national disgust with GWB and his rotten war. His approvals were in the low 30s.

            Do you see something like that coming down the pike? This was a D year, and we still couldn't win the House.

            Demographic effects could take a while to sink in. And it sounds a lot like counting chickens before they are hatched.

            Thus far the GOP has exercised power by being oppositional in the House. Not clear why we should expect this to change.

            An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

            by mightymouse on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 07:51:44 AM PST

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            •  Because it's losing them seats (2+ / 0-)
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              Even with gerrymandering they lost around 10 seats because of such politics. That's likely to continue if they keep being such obstinate obstructionist assholes. There simply aren't enough far-right true red voters and deep red districts to allow this kind of politics beyond another election cycle or two. What happened in 06-08 can and will happen again, and Dems are likely to adopt a political and legislative agenda over the next 2 years to help assure that.

              "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

              by kovie on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 07:56:44 AM PST

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              •  2006 & 2008 won't happen again w/o a kick (1+ / 0-)
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                Those elections were a function of Bush and his war as much as anything.

                If the Dems really want to win back the House they need to show something they've not shown yet.

                I am not comfortable with the "if we just wait good things will happen." the GOP can adapt as well. And if they play the obstruction game well, and Dems do the usual shoddy messaging, half the angry voters in 2014 won't know what the problem is.

                An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

                by mightymouse on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 08:17:17 AM PST

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                •  Which is why I'm advocating that Dems (1+ / 0-)
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                  wage a slash and burn legislative war against the GOP over the next 2 years, forcing them to choose between pleasing their base and pissing off swing voters and helping to pass good bills. The more they go against the wishes of most voters, the more it'll hurt them in future elections. Something big has changed since 2010 and Repubs are in denial over it. A clear minority of voters elected them back into the house majority. That will become fatal for them over time.

                  "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                  by kovie on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 08:20:47 AM PST

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                  •  are you sure about this? (2+ / 0-)
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                    A clear minority of voters elected them back into the house majority.
                    My understanding is that if all the votes cast in uncontested House races are added in, more total votes were cast for R's.

                    The popular thing being floated around the more D votes were cast is based solely on contested races.

                    This issue needs a clear & thorough analysis.

                    An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

                    by mightymouse on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 08:25:55 AM PST

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                    •  That's what I think I read (1+ / 0-)
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                      It makes sense, too, given gerrymandering and that red districts and states generally have a lower average number of voters than blue ones. Unfair and undemocratic structural advantages benefit the GOP.

                      Absolutely this is true in the senate, and would be even if Repubs won it back.

                      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                      by kovie on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 08:29:04 AM PST

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                    •  Check out the Wiki (1+ / 0-)
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                      page on the 2012 house elections, that gives Dems around 500,000 more total votes than Repubs. I don't know how contested races factor into this.

                      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                      by kovie on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 08:39:52 AM PST

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                      •  thanks - (1+ / 0-)
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                        it would be good to see a table somewhere with all the vote totals - maybe people are waiting till all races are called and votes in.

                        winning the House is very important - but it's hard to understand with all the many districts.

                        An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

                        by mightymouse on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 09:12:25 AM PST

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                •  What we need is a 200,000-precinct... (2+ / 0-)
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                  ...strategy. We obviously won't win them all. But, in our effort in Los Angeles in 100 precincts, we increased Democratic turnout both in blue precincts and leaning-red ones. Boosting turnout will help us win state legislatures as well as Congress, both being crucial to long-term goals.

                  Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

                  by Meteor Blades on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 08:53:05 AM PST

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