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View Diary: Why I'm Rejecting Rabbi Yoffie's Call for Progressive Jews to Support Israel's Bombing of Gaza (328 comments)

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  •  You're right (1+ / 0-)
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    volleyboy1

    But it's immaterial to my argument, since it isn't the argument I made. Claiming someone has psychological demons is a claiming a psychological defect. Attributing that defect to everyone who disagrees with you would be demonizing.

    •  This is an assertion: (18+ / 0-)

      "Claiming someone has psychological demons is a claiming a psychological defect."

      with which I disagree.

      "Psychological demons" might not have been a phrasing I'd have used, but I think you're drawing a lot of meaning from it -- linking it with some defect or weakness or wrongness or mental illness -- that is not necessarily there.

      I lost basically an entire side of my family to the concentration camps. That deeply effects me as a person, my understanding of the world, so on. It can also involve fears of the type that Yaffie frankly is playing on when he evokes never again wanting to "huddle" and so on, and plenty of historical fears -- fears that are there for good reason, mind you, in historical context -- come up in all sorts of ways regarding Israel, its responses, so on.

      A group of people surviving trauma after trauma will have that shared experience effect shared perspectives. The fear responses involved in that, while I wouldn't necessarily call them "psychological demons," are nonetheless things many of us do wrestle with, and are things I personally see at the core of much of the vehemence of these arguments.

      Frankly, I find Yaffie's use of such an argument to be rather manipulative, and I'm glad to see this diarist reject the argument as such, even if I might have used different phrasing.

      Even with the phrasing used, though, I really think you're applying meaning to it that is not inherent and is not even particularly implied by this diarist.

    •  Nonsense. (11+ / 0-)

      Being haunted by something is not the same as having a mental illness.  You're reading way more into the expression "psychological demons" than is really there.

      “What’s the use of having developed a science well enough to make predictions if, in the end, all we’re willing to do is stand around and wait for them to come true?” - Sherwood Rowland

      by jrooth on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 02:29:01 PM PST

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