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View Diary: Why I'm Rejecting Rabbi Yoffie's Call for Progressive Jews to Support Israel's Bombing of Gaza (328 comments)

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  •  You're completely correct (1+ / 0-)
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    corvo

    but I think that Yoffie himself -- and others in this thread -- make clear that these are sets of response that do underlie at least some measure of some people's support for various actions or overall opinions here. The quote above is his argument. I personally find it to be terribly manipulative, in no small part because traumas -- the Holocaust and others -- do still play into many, many of many folks' underlying fears and feelings.

    And well they should, frankly, if we're aware of them and aware that they have to be taken as a piece of context and historical knowledge, but without providing justification in themselves for any particular action. That's our shared experience, for good or ill, and we should be aware IMO of how it plays into people's feelings. Everybody's? No, but they are collective experience, and they are deep trauma.

    Are those feelings the fundamental justification for Israel's existence? No, they are not, and they can't be.

    Are those feelings real feelings that some seem to constantly try to manipulate to stoke fears and feelings beyond the current, real life situation? Yes, to me, that is going on here. And shame on Yoffie for playing into it. It helps nobody.

    •  Respectfully, I think you are moving goalposts (1+ / 0-)
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      JNEREBEL

      The diarist specifically pointed to Yoffie's position as one caused by psychological demons from the Holocaust. But the sentence at issue talks about how Israel came into being, and it doesn't mention "Holocaust." The diarist is either being very sloppy, or (more likely) shamefully manipulative.

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