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  •  I take it you don't like Ron Paul... (0+ / 0-)

    You are correct; I am a proponent of business. Business makes the world go round. I see most everything from the standpoint of business and if I were President, I would run our government like a business and I think we’d be better off for it. That said, for you to assume that because I’m a Libertarian I believe every single thing that another Libertarian believes is rather close minded. I think you would be rather offended if I started rattling off obscure beliefs of radical liberals and made the assumption that you believed every one of them.

    While I would love to soap box, I won’t go through and list my personal beliefs on everything you stated but I will pick out a few.
      - My understanding of Ron Paul’s stance on abortion is that he believes that the government shouldn’t give a damn about what choices a woman makes in regards to their body.
      - I doubt reasonable person would promote the legalization of all drugs; however I do think that we have over-regulated some.
      - As for gambling and pornography, they are already legal in most places so not sure why that matters.
      - I don’t know why the government needs to license relationships. Where did we get the idea that the government had to say it was ok for two people to engage in any sort of relationship?
      - The last one I’ll touch on is education. Education is not a right, it is a privilege. The higher you go on the education ladder, the more valid that statement becomes. In an ideal world the parents would be responsible for ensuring their child was properly education. Since it is obvious that many parents in America today care very little about anything related to their children, some level of government should ensure that children are obtaining enough education for them to function and contribute to our society. The problem with any government body deciding what things a child should learn is that it can end up being tailored to that entity’s current political stance, thus indoctrinating kids rather than educating.

    I could go on and on with just your Ron Paul piece but I doubt anyone would read it. Being a working “class” individual, I’m also interested in worker’s rights. You and I obviously disagree in what those rights are. I don’t believe that anyone as a right to work. I believe that I have time and specific abilities and it is my responsibility to market those abilities and sell my time to the individual or corporation that I decide is the best deal. I’m not sure why you think the playing field isn’t level; maybe you just don’t understand all of the rules of the game. You speak of “these people” as if they are being paid little to nothing and they have no choice but to settle for the wage their current employer has offered them. Again, if they don’t think they are being paid enough they should market their skills and abilities to someone else. If the problem is that they don’t have any marketable skills, they should take the initiative to develop some. Don’t tell me that anyone working in the United States doesn’t make enough to live off of. It may not be the lifestyle of the rich and famous, but those minimum wage laws you like so much guarantee that people are making enough to survive. If they don’t like that form of survival, they can make steps to change it. Our lives are the sum of our choices.

    •  Education is whatever our society chooses (1+ / 0-)
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      yoduuuh do or do not

      to make it.

      Don’t tell me that anyone working in the United States doesn’t make enough to live off of.

      You're an idiot.

      Our lives are not the sum of our choices, they are the sum of an infinity of infinities of events transpiring both over the billions of years that preceded our appearance, as well as transpiring since, the vast majority of which are almost entirely beyond our control.

      What an ass.

      What an ass's ass.


      To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

      by UntimelyRippd on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 08:35:23 PM PST

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      •  Hmm.. (0+ / 0-)

        I'm the ass when you're the one that has been completely uncivil and cursed while I was trying to have a rational and civil discussion. Believe me, I disagree with your views just as much as you disagree with mine, but you don't see me being rude.

        Our lives are not the sum of our choices, they are the sum of an infinity of infinities of events transpiring both over the billions of years that preceded our appearance, as well as transpiring since, the vast majority of which are almost entirely beyond our control.
        So you believe that our choices have no effect on our lives? That our lives were laid out on a path long before we were even thought of. If you truly believed that you wouldn't have such a passionate disdain for my belief that we are all responsible for our own successes and failures. Are there outside influences that effect what choices we are faced with, certainly. If I hadn't decided to comment on this site, you would have never been faced with the choice of whether or not to reply to every comment I made on this article.

        Maybe I should have put one small qualifier in my proclamation that people working in the United States make enough to live off of. That qualifier being that there is ample opportunity in the United States for people to make enough to live off of, it's a matter of personal determination as to whether or not they will do so. Once again, a choice. If I choose to make no money, I will make no money. If I choose to live well beyond my means, I will be broke. Choices my friend, choices.

        We do agree on one thing, education is what our society chooses to make it, which means we're all responsible for the inadequacy of our education system. And that has nothing to do with money, and everything to do with effort.

        •  See this: (1+ / 0-)
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          I say that the vast majority of the events that affect our lives are entirely out of control.

          You then come back and argue, "So you believe that our choices have no effect on our lives?"

          And then you wonder why I'm rude. I'm rude because, as that entirely broken bit of "reasoning" clearly demonstrates, you aren't smart enough to be having this conversation, nor to sit smugly upon the self-satisfying opinions that your incompetent logical faculty generates for you to burble on about; never mind act upon those opinions or even worse, foist them on other people as if they were somehow something worth promulgating.

          I have one last piece of advice for you: Look at the calendar. Note that date. Now: Spend the next 10 years actually thinking about all the stuff about which you're opining (this won't be easy, because you're going to have to spend the first 2 or 3 years investigating the difference between thinking and whatever it is you've been doing up to now) and until that 10 years is up, keep entirely to yourself whatever ill-considered half-baked semi-informed notions you have churning around in your happy-clappy-we-all-get-what-we-deserve-and-deserve-what-we-get-and-i-am-all-right-jack brain.

          Good night, sir.

          To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

          by UntimelyRippd on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 09:54:05 PM PST

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    •  You are a typical Ebeneezer Scrooge type.. (0+ / 0-)

      You believe that since YOU yourself are able to do something...everyone is.
      Since you were lucky enough to be born without disease, without health issues, everyone is.
      Or perhaps you are the "I have all these issues and I overcame them all by myself and so can everyone else..."

      And I say to you "BULLSH***

      You did NOT build the roads, the hospitals, the firehouses, the police departments, the schools.   COMMUNITIES did and those of us who believe in communities, also believe that we owe it to our brothers and sisters and their children who are unable to do the building, the caretaking.

      This is not about being rich and famous, it is about being a community.  Go live somewhere on your own with yourself and your fellow libertarians and build your own roads, your own hospitals, your own everything.   Do it.  Check the safety of your water and food on your own.  Check the safety of your housing on your own.  Educate your own. Clothe your own.  Heat your own.  Do whatever the hell you want but do not demand that those of us who choose to live in communities and share the labor, the care taking, the education, the safety of our communities live according to your survivalists nuttiness.

      From the beginning of communities elders educated their children in order to make sure their was survival of the community.  

      “Fear of serious injury cannot alone justify suppression of free speech and assembly. Men feared witches and burned women. It is the function of speech to free men from the bondage of irrational fears.”–Louis Dembitz Brandeis

      by Jjc2006 on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 05:46:04 AM PST

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      •  I'm starting to understand.. (0+ / 0-)

        I think I'm starting to understand why so many of you are outraged at my comment. Somehow, by me stating that I think it is not the government's place to force a business to provide healthcare to their employees, you concluded that I want to demolish the government entirely. You’ve concluded from one comment that I'm cold-hearted and have no desire to help people. Quite the contrary, let me explain.

        I do understand that just because I can do something doesn’t mean others can, or should even have to. I know full well that I’ve never worked on a road crew paving the way for our goods and services. I’ve never worked in construction in any way, or as a fireman or as a caregiver in a hospital. I do believe we should have communities. The difference is that I don’t think the entire United States is one big community. To me a community is a group of like-minded people who have a vested interest in achieving a common goal. Look no further than the election results and you can see that we don’t all agree on what our goals should be, so why should the Federal government be the one making decisions like this? Why couldn’t it be the state? Or better yet, the county government? Or better still, the city government? That’s where your community is, it’s in small groups of people. Look at the money spent in the last campaign cycle. Money thrown down the drain just so that everyone in the country can be dissatisfied with the lack of results we'll see over the next four years. You may be happy Obama won, but you still won’t be happy with the stand still congress and neither will any other American.

        If you and the rest of your municipality decide that you want to force businesses to provide healthcare, go ahead. If your community decides that you want to levy a tax for some predetermined purpose, go ahead. Leave the federal government to do things that more than 51% of the nation can agree on. Like provide levy taxes to pay for our military so that we don’t have to worry about being invaded. Leave them to regulate interstate commerce so no American is economically abused.

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