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  •  more favorable? (14+ / 0-)

    "The dynamics are much more favorable than with Occupy."  

    Except Occupy Sandy is doing a pretty good job.

    •  Oh that last paragraphcould have been deleted. (17+ / 0-)

      Does the writer realize this IS occupy? But I have to give thanks for publicizing what "Many occupy Wall Street followers are undoubtedly aware of."
      YES, Occupy Sandy is doing much more than the government and anti-occupy folks will ever admit! Occupy has been accomplishing uncounted good deeds for 14 months and occupy is not going away!

      •  Occupy is awesome. And (5+ / 0-)

        yet many Mom & Pop types still think they're hoodlums; this, this they can easily see is Robin Hood, the best kind, because it screws bankers and doesn't risk trashing the sidewalk. (yes, that's oversimplification, but there's a middle america audience that doesn't see Occupy well, but WILL see this in a kind light.)

        •  thanks to the Oakland riots... (1+ / 0-)
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          ... which, I'm starting to find out from someone I know who is researching & writing on this subject, were ultimately inspired by a thread of syncretized Maoism.  

          The rock-throwers almost destroyed a movement.

          Thankfully, Occupy Sandy and Rolling Jubilee have saved that movement, and are doing the real revolutionary work of helping real people directly, in ways that are life-changing.

          We got the future back.

          by G2geek on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 02:09:17 AM PST

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          •  Rock throwers were NOT Occupy. (2+ / 0-)

            Occupy is peaceful, always. Apparently you got some misinformation/lies from mainstream media or from someone like whoever wrote that last paragraph. With little effort, you could have spent the last 14 months learning from writings and broadcasts which are available through occupy sites from all around the world 24/7.

            •  dude, Oaktown homie here. (3+ / 0-)

              I saw stuff in Oakland first-hand and have other friends who saw it first hand.  

              Let's not play "edit history retroactively" because that accomplishes nothing, especially not learning from it.  It happened, it sucked, it caused much damage to the movement, and people who instigated it need to take responsibility for their own failures.

              If by "that last paragraph" you mean the last paragraph of my comment to which you replied, that's my opinion based on what I've read of Occupy Sandy and Rolling Jubilee, both of which I ferociously support.   And I wrote that last paragraph, I didn't get it from somewhere.  

              We got the future back.

              by G2geek on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:44:55 AM PST

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          •  Basically this (2+ / 0-)
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            I built/rebuilt & donated solar and crank chargers and cell phones with cameras to occupy guys, worked out well in San Francisco, got my car keyed by one of the occupyers in Oakland because it happened to be a nice car, lost interest. Oakland was weird. Then again there's also the fact that the people there didn't seem to know how to riot (zero tactical sense compared to Italy or Greece), I later heard a lot of people complain that there was a lot of infiltration.

            I am an electrical engineer, run a reasonably high traffic server, and build autopilots and drones for a living. If you have technical questions, ask away and I will try to give a cogent answer.

            by spiritplumber on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 08:32:19 AM PST

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            •  also what Marxists call "lumpen" elements. (1+ / 0-)
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              Basically a lot of people who are parasites and low-level predators in one form or another: grifters and hangers-on and takers-advantage-of and just plain takers.

              That's also where the "groping" problem and the more serious sexual assaults came from:  fucked-up guys with bad attitudes.

              As for infiltrators, just say "syncretic Maoists" and you're on the right track.

              Some of this shit has decades of history behind it, some goes back about half a century that we can figure out, and it may go further & deeper than that.  Some friends of mine are trying to trace out the ultimate roots of it.  

              We have to be really really clear about this: for ANY kind of movement to succeed, it has to exercise control over who can and who cannot join.  It has to insist on standards for membership, obligations of membership, and some kind of code of behavior.  Otherwise it will be swamped with undesirables of many kinds, and ultimately sink.  

              For example, no violence, no exceptions.  Someone does a violent act, they're outski and no coming back.  Basic minimal stuff like this.  For example no active substance abuse problems.  Someone has a substance problem, they have to get 90 days of clean/sober before they can join, and if they have a relapse, they're outski until they clean up again.  We are not a social services catch-all agency for everyone with a story to tell; or rather, we can be that or we can be a political and economic movement, but we can't be both.  

              OTOH we have a majorly nasty gang problem here so if, for example, some gang thug shows up to harvest women, and the protesters escort him the hell outta' there, he may very well come back with friends with weapons, and we end up with stabbings & shootings on our hands.  To prevent that we need to be on friendly terms with OPD, which also means we have to be willing to comply with requests & orders that many folks will have a knee-jerk reaction against, and so on, etc. etc.

              Why I think New York has their shit together and we don't:

              They have snow.  

              Think about that.

              BTW, native New Yorker here.

              We got the future back.

              by G2geek on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 09:07:47 AM PST

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            •  oh my, i see your sig there... (0+ / 0-)

              .... check your DK messages in a little while;-)

              We got the future back.

              by G2geek on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 09:08:51 AM PST

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      •  Yes obviously (0+ / 0-)

        but it's a different incantation of it...

        One whose dynamics are move favorable than the camped out protest style of the 60s

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