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  •  Deadbeats (0+ / 0-)

    This really was just a question about whether it was possible to get better visibility on whose debt was being relieved.  And no, i'm not implying that anyone who gets credit cards is just abusing them.  But there are people who are just plain deadbeats and one would imagine that people donating to this jubilee would prefer donating to someone who deserved it the most, rather than some deadbeat gaming the system.  That's probably a minority, and if we have to accept some deadbeats getting their debt paid in order to help some truly needy well so be it.  But i'd rather not if i didn't have to.

    History will be kind to us because we will write it.

    by Sky Net on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 11:01:24 PM PST

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    •  a few things: (15+ / 0-)

      One, owing to the random nature of buying bulk debt, there is no way to sort out the righteous victims from the irresponsible nincompoops.

      Two, in the most practical sense, bailing out an occasional irresponsible nincompoop is a necessary consequence of bailing out all these righteous victims.

      Three, in the political sense, we do not want to replicate the right-wing ideology where, as Orgre said above, someone "is sitting around, making privileged, sniffy, moralistic noises about who deserves a break, and who deserves to be fucked over because they did something stupid."

      Four, in the most idealistic sense, the fact that this is unconditional is what is most revolutionary of all about it.  Unconditional forgiveness, un-asked-for, un-earned, just purely gratuitous, pure generosity in action, the total repudiation of sniffy right-wing moralizing, the total repudiation of the whole Wall Street vampire mentality, the propaganda of the deed, and the ferocious power of nonviolence.  All in one.

      Five, in the long term sense, all of this gratuitous unconditional forgiveness creates an emotional tsunami of good will that cannot be stopped.  It will change peoples' lives, and create idealists faster than we can get them registered to vote.  

      We got the future back.

      by G2geek on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 01:42:24 AM PST

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    •  You don't have to. (7+ / 0-)

      Don't donate.  It's that simple.  
      Once you start separating out those who deserve from those who don't you start dragging all sorts of judgements into it.  Does this person deserve help, and that not?  What's your criteria?  Are they spendthrift? Did they buy a new computer when they couldn't afford it? Did they buy it because their local library shut down and they now have no access to look up job listings? Did they need it for school?  Or are they just looking at porn?  
      Are they alcholholic? Or addicted to pain killers?  Will help from RJ enable them to get treatment?
      Are they Christian enough, sick enough, smart enough, young enough, white enough, GOOD ENOUGH?
      No. You either give without judgement. Or you don't.  But don't drag your judgements into this and feed others your doubts, please?  No body every asks if a donator is good enough to give to a good cause. Recipients shouldn't be asked either.

    •  Study after study (3+ / 0-)

      survey after survey, investigation after investigation

      • of welfare recipients
      • of unemployment recipients
      • of public housing beneficiaries
      • of bankruptcy victims
      • of the homeless
      • of the poor
      • of voters accused of fraud
      • of prisoners and criminals

      have ALL indicated that the actual number of actual cheaters, deadbeats, losers, and moochers is vanishingly small.

      Get over it.

      The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

      by RedDan on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 11:41:53 AM PST

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