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  •  When foreign service workers are brutally murdered (1+ / 0-)
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    Rich in PA

    and people say, "We don't know if there was a failure!" I want to kill a thousand kittens.

    What the Fuck are yo undoing? Does a government have a job to do in regards to its employees? Is one of those jobs protecting those employees? This is just astonishing.

    •  That should be "What the fuck are you doing?" nt (0+ / 0-)
      •  Well, the comment is undoing a lot. (1+ / 0-)
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        You know, the notion that our government should protect its employees, that kind of thing.

        You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

        by Rich in PA on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 03:57:53 AM PST

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    •  If dichotomies are your thing... (8+ / 0-)

      If you can't see this situation in anything but black-and-white terms, then we're not really able to discuss this.

      Most words don't have a single meaning. Most words have multiple meanings. I can't help hearing "failure", in this context, as meaning much the same thing as "mistake", i.e., a demonstrated (if temporary) lack of competence. If that's not what you mean, then there's no need for us to discuss this.

      But otherwise...

      Your question can be paralleled in a number of different contexts. The parallels are stronger in some cases, weaker in others, but they exist and are real:

      - It's the job of NHTSA to keep our roads safe, yet 50,000 people are killed in automobile accidents every year. Is NHTSA failing at its job?

      - Except in rare (or criminal) cases, an army will try not to lose any soldiers in battle, yet soldiers are frequently lost in battle. Does every soldier's death represent a failure?

      - It's the job of the police to keep people safe from criminal activity. Yet people are killed in robberies daily. Does every such death represent a failure of the police to do their job?

      In all of these cases, the responsible party has to do a reasonable job of protecting their charges, where the meaning of reasonable is both fuzzy and context-dependent. It's not clear to me that the Obama Administration failed to do a reasonable job of protecting the embassy staff in this case -- especially given that it was, from what I understand, Ambassador Stevens's choice to go to Benghazi at that time, with the security arrangements (or lack thereof) fully known to him.

      Do you know anything that shows otherwise?

      Let us all have the strength to see the humanity in our enemies, and the courage to let them see the humanity in ourselves.

      by Nowhere Man on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 08:06:31 PM PST

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    •  Dangerous Jobs have Risks (4+ / 0-)
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      kurt, Egalitare, Joieau, Nowhere Man

      Policeman, fireman, correctional officers and many other workers lose their lives in the line of duty way too often. Is there a government failure when that happens?  There was a policeman that perished saving children during Hurricane Sandy was the government responsible? Sometimes it is but other times bad things happen to good people.  

      I worked in corrections and I remember a correctional officer was killed in the line of duty because he did not follow the protocol and opened a cell to give an inmate some of his lunch in violation of policy.  His death was tragic however the government did have policy in place that if followed would have possibly prevented his death.

      The republicans are trying their best to politicize a tragedy for an advantage.  When briefings occur on Benghazi and McCain and other republicans miss the briefing to hold a news conference and go about other routine business then complain about not having information; their actions are transparent to a thinking person.

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