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  •  some odd (23+ / 0-)

    outcomes, such as the fight over rain barrels, because even though the water is on your roof and not in the stream, if you stop the water from getting to the stream, you're stealing the water.

    The danger is not just that western water rights, proprietary ownership rights based on first use, are out west, it is that many private companies are working hard to make the principles of western water rights the law in areas with traditional riparian rights, where one has a right to use, but must return the water in the same amount, and just as lean, to the stream.    It is part and parcel of an attempt to privatize all water, a commodity much more valuable than oil in the long run, and therefore control life itself, as well as all economic activity.  Pay attention for political activities along this line.  Oppose them unless you want the water equivalent of Exxon determining whether you can have potable water or not.

    •  Veerrryyy good point! (12+ / 0-)

      You know your stuff!

      Actually, though, if you own property that rain falls upon and you "gather" up to .2 cfs - that is usually statutorily your right now. . . just be veerryy quiet about it.

      Blessed are the peacemakers, the poor, the meek and the sick. Message to Repug Fundies: "DO you really wonder "what would Jesus do?" I didn't think so.

      by 4CasandChlo on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 09:18:43 AM PST

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      •  .2cfs , is that right? (1+ / 0-)
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        That's 12 cubic feet per minute. That's a 3x4" footprint barrel filling 12 inches every minute. In comparison, some of the nastiest storms I weathered in Florida dumped 12-15 inches of rain in a day.

        You're the lawyer, I'm just doing some back of napkin calculations. It seems to me like you couldn't (wouldn't) build a container big enough to hold .2cfs input for any decent amount of time.

        •  The problem is I am a lawyer: (0+ / 0-)

          I think (now I am going to have to look it up)  that I might well have meant .02/cfs, its either .2 or .02 and for practical purposes it equates to the amount of water continuously coming out of a garden hose (all day/night) at a moderate rate.

          I apologize for the confusion.  The point that I botched was that by statute there is now a "small" amount of water that one is entitled to by land ownership (outside of a municipality - which will have its own code) in recognition that gardens, grass, chickens, whatever, require a minimal amount of water that is too small to make illegal and would defeat the purpose in that most people are using that amount through their own wells or what have you.

          Very very much appreciate the feedback - - I need to check when I get back.

          Blessed are the peacemakers, the poor, the meek and the sick. Message to Repug Fundies: "DO you really wonder "what would Jesus do?" I didn't think so.

          by 4CasandChlo on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 08:25:30 AM PST

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        •  YOU were right! (1+ / 0-)
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          I left out a very important 0.

          It is actually .02 cfs a minute - which in old school language was termed as a "miner's inch" (I have no idea where they got the "inch of water" thing, Miners!, anyhoo, it does equate to a garden hose basically.

          And, it does represent that amount that will be allowed in "most" western states as part of land ownership.

          Thank you very much, I really hate making such silly mistakes and that one is embarrassing, glad to get it corrected.

          And anyone thinking it was a "miniscule mistake" should go out and turn on 10 garden hoses and leave them on 24 hrs a day compared to one!

          Blessed are the peacemakers, the poor, the meek and the sick. Message to Repug Fundies: "DO you really wonder "what would Jesus do?" I didn't think so.

          by 4CasandChlo on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 08:36:56 AM PST

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