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  •  Iraq war is why we are facing the cliff: (4+ / 0-)
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    The unnecessary Iraq war is one of the reasons for the predicament we are in: a missing meme, in my opinion and I guess we need to bring this back into the narrative before we conclude the negotiations. We need to as a populace accept responsibility for either actively or tacitly supporting a war that was not needed. I would say that this is the cost of doing business,when a country chooses to go to a war: this fact cannot be erased.

    As I see it:
    We elected President Obama to have opposed the war and now we have re-elected President Obama to cleanup the costs and consequences of the war, SuperStorm Sandy and everything that nature and the rightwing, faux rightwing (Bowles on Bloomberg this morning was disingenous to say the least) idealogues.

    Iraq War cost us about a $1T in deficits and lives of our soldiers. And if we go back in time, Bushco fought the war using budget supplemental and refused to add them to the deficit before they left office allowing the right wing to claim that President Obama increased the deficits when the President was simply preventing further accounting tricks and bring out the truth to the American Public (though I reserve judgement on the wisdom of that move, because we would probably not have been facing the cliff now and could have passed the ACA with less hurdles to clear).
    In summary, I hope that we tie the cliff to the error in our collective judgement by waging an unnecessary war.

    •  Bush's Off Books War Costs Put On Obama's Bill (0+ / 0-)

      Do you have a link for that?  I would love to be able to use that information in discussions I have with my Obama "lovers".

      Poor man wants to be rich. Rich man wants to king. And the king ain't satisifed until he rules everything. B.Springsteen

      by howd on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 01:15:30 PM PST

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      •  Google is my friend..hope this helps (0+ / 0-)

        That Bushco were fighting the war on supplemental was sort of common knowledge even before the 2008 elections.

        I just looked this up on google and this seemed like something relevant to this discussion. I am sure that CBO will have documents around this as well somewhere for the wonks among us to write about this and the impact this had on the subsequent health care debate: specially the public option.

        This was one of the initial steps that President Obama took in summer of 2009 (iirc) before the healthcare reform debate, can someone pls help me out here.

        I had naively assumed then that the President knows best, but as soon as I heard the Republican machine go after President Obama for raising the deficits, it dawned on me that this was the 13th dimension chess in play as opposed to the 11th dimension one which normally benefits the side you are on (because 13 is the unlucky number).

        When the OFA or DSCC would call on me for campaign donations, I would raise this issue and ask them to comment on that, of course, their response was : will you volunteer for the Obama campaign when you get behind the President. The other issue was Bill Halter: that did really cost our cause as well and it did not help that the DSCC was still campaigning for Blanche Lincoln (I hope I got the names right).
        Hope this helps.

          •  Thanks (0+ / 0-)

            Thanks for the information.  In reading the link and the comments, it appears that the supplemental appropriations takes the item off the books by not having any offsets and enables the administration to somewhat hide the true costs, but is included to calculate the final deficit for the year.  

            Poor man wants to be rich. Rich man wants to king. And the king ain't satisifed until he rules everything. B.Springsteen

            by howd on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:17:50 AM PST

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