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  •  NC-7 - Today's the day, McIntire by 436 (9+ / 0-)

    Provisional votes are to be counted today. At the moment, NC BOE totals look like this:

    Mike McIntyre (DEM)        167,718    50.07%   
    David Rouzer (REP)         167,282    49.93%   
    Total        335,000
    Choice     ElectionDay     OneStop     Mail     Prvisnl     Tot       %
    Mike McIntyre    61,863    100,694    5,007    154    167,718    50.07%
    David Rouzer     69,087      89,655    8,405    135    167,282    49.93%
    http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/...

    Filibuster reform now. No more Gentleman's agreements.

    by bear83 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 07:00:21 AM PST

    •  I will admit to not really caring much (8+ / 0-)

      About this race.

      Yes, I'd rather have McIntyre than Rouzer, but... meh.

      •  Have Democrats in North Carolina (1+ / 0-)
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        MichaelNY

        pretty much hit rock bottom? If not, I'd probably care more than you do right now...me personally, I mean.

        "The election of Mitt Romney and a supporting congress this November would be a...disaster for America. Think of the trainwreck that has been the Conservative government in Britain since 2010. And square it."--Brad DeLong

        by bjssp on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 08:15:46 AM PST

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        •  Rock bottom? Pretty much (1+ / 0-)
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          We did manage to hang on to a few statewide elected positions - Attorney General, Sec of State, Treasurer, Insurance Commisioner, Auditor, and Supt. of Public Instruction.

          Legislative and Congressional seats were pretty much a wipeout between 2010 and 2012.

          Filibuster reform now. No more Gentleman's agreements.

          by bear83 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 08:53:29 AM PST

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        •  Well they apparently got more house votes (2+ / 0-)
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          than the Republicans.  So, I don't think they've hit rock bottom.

          Let all the Bush tax cuts expire

          by Paleo on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 08:53:33 AM PST

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          •  Okay, but I'm talking about (0+ / 0-)

            the specific districts. They were obviously drawn to favor Republicans at both the federal and state legislative level, If I recall correctly, and there's only so much we can do besides try to play the cards we've been dealt before we get a chance to redistrict, which I don't believe can happen mid-decade in NC. Unless we have more room to fall, that is. I doubt that's the case in, say, Indiana or Wisconsin, but maybe it is in North Carolina.

            Statewide, things look to be much better, or at least much more hopeful.

            "The election of Mitt Romney and a supporting congress this November would be a...disaster for America. Think of the trainwreck that has been the Conservative government in Britain since 2010. And square it."--Brad DeLong

            by bjssp on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 09:08:15 AM PST

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            •  we have right rock bottom (3+ / 0-)
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              in the sense that I don't think it's likely that we'll lose many more seats. But we're basically pinned between two bottom rocks. the state-level districts are so gerrymandered that i only have dim hopes of being able to take back anything. Same regarding the congressional districts.

              •  Which raises an interesting question: (0+ / 0-)

                do the Democrats bet everything on trying to take back a few seats as part of a multi-year process, or do they spread themselves out a little?

                Perhaps this is a dumb question. I mean, I know the DCCC fights like a dog and thinks purely in terms of the election happening right before its eyes, not one in the future, and maybe the DLCC and/or state party is different. But if they think like this in some ways, is it a good strategy? If they win seats, they will be ahead of where they were, even if it's just by a few. If they don't, which might be the case if they spread themselves too thin, they will be where they are now.

                "The election of Mitt Romney and a supporting congress this November would be a...disaster for America. Think of the trainwreck that has been the Conservative government in Britain since 2010. And square it."--Brad DeLong

                by bjssp on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 09:20:21 AM PST

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            •  Redistricting (2+ / 0-)
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              bear83, MichaelNY

              Republicans now have 2/3 majorities in each house I believe.  So don't look for any mid decade redistricting.

              Let all the Bush tax cuts expire

              by Paleo on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 09:14:47 AM PST

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              •  I (0+ / 0-)

                was just suggesting it was possible, which it is...right? Or am I thinking of something else that might be possible in only some states?

                "The election of Mitt Romney and a supporting congress this November would be a...disaster for America. Think of the trainwreck that has been the Conservative government in Britain since 2010. And square it."--Brad DeLong

                by bjssp on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 09:25:01 AM PST

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              •  They have veto-proof majorities in both houses (1+ / 0-)
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                MichaelNY

                Not sure about 2/3, but they can override anything McCrory might decide to veto, which I honestly don't expect to be much.

                Filibuster reform now. No more Gentleman's agreements.

                by bear83 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 11:18:14 AM PST

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            •  Redistricting will be the downfall of NC Democrats (3+ / 0-)
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              ArkDem14, MichaelNY, bear83

              The way it is right now, the legislature fully controls redistricting.  Even if we get Dems elected to every statewide office, we can't redistrict the legislature.  That's how Democrats stayed in power for 100+ years and now that Republicans have such huge majorities, they'll do the same.

              If there was only some way we could get a referendum on the ballot for fair redistricting.... oh, wait, the only way to do that is to have the legislature put it on the ballot. :P

              VA-03 (current residence) NC-07 (home)

              by psychicpanda on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 12:31:24 PM PST

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        •  They still control (2+ / 0-)
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          bear83, MichaelNY

          Most of the atatewide offices.

          •  As I said to Paleo, (2+ / 0-)
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            terjeanderson, bear83

            there's hope for us statewide. The problem is in the House and state legislative districts. I'm about as optimistic and aggressive as anyone when it comes to this stuff, but even I am aware of what we are up against in these states and how getting back to power will be a long, tough, grinding process.

            "The election of Mitt Romney and a supporting congress this November would be a...disaster for America. Think of the trainwreck that has been the Conservative government in Britain since 2010. And square it."--Brad DeLong

            by bjssp on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 09:12:17 AM PST

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      •  I still can't get past (2+ / 0-)
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        ArkDem14, MichaelNY

        that "pray-in" he had against Obamacare a day or two before the vote. He's not only a bad vote but he also hurts us on message.

        That said, I too would rather have him win than not. But it's not as clear a call as it is for some other of the other less reliable Dems.

        •  He's an evangelical and member of "the Family" (2+ / 0-)
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          itskevin, MichaelNY

          Jeff Sharlet mentioned him in that book as wanting to have federal courthouses across the nation display the 10 Commandments.

          Age 23. Voting in NJ-03. Lived most of life in NJ-01. Had Rush Holt represent me during my undergrad years and am now represented by Frank Pallone in my grad school.

          by KingofSpades on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 10:24:09 AM PST

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    •  Well, good job. (1+ / 0-)
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      MichaelNY

      Will it be easier for him in next elections now that he's been re-elected in a strongly changed district?

      Age 23. Voting in NJ-03. Lived most of life in NJ-01. Had Rush Holt represent me during my undergrad years and am now represented by Frank Pallone in my grad school.

      by KingofSpades on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 10:22:13 AM PST

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    •  New numbers - McIntire by 506 (3+ / 0-)
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      DCal, tommypaine, MichaelNY

      Mike McIntyre (DEM)        168,013    50.08%   
      David Rouzer (REP)         167,507    49.92%   
      Total        335,520   

      Choice     ElectionDay     OneStop     Mail     Prvisnl     Tot       %
      Mike McIntyre    61,863    100,692    5,052    406    168,013    50.08%
      David Rouzer     69,087     89,655     8,458    307    167,507    49.92%

      Filibuster reform now. No more Gentleman's agreements.

      by bear83 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 11:23:50 AM PST

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