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  •  i'd go for that (9+ / 0-)

    genuine stimlus, kill sequestration, a short term tax cut extension which can be killed in six months, and a nod and a wink on the deficit- nothing binding as far as cuts down the road. but i don't see that happening.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 03:25:24 PM PST

    •  Lost me right from here (13+ / 0-)
      That work must begin with the negotiations regarding the austerity bomb
      No deal but a new deal.

      Krugman is right that the cliff is a fake.

      The Social Safety net is not negotiable.

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      by divineorder on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 03:43:28 PM PST

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      •  i'm okay with the optics (2+ / 0-)
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        if it led to stimulus and but a feign on future cuts, while just kicking the can on the tax cuts so they can just be allowed to expire not too far down the road. it's the feign on future cuts that i don't see. well, i don't see any stimulus, either.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 03:49:22 PM PST

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        •  The optics are kinda blurry if... (0+ / 0-)

          your takeaway is that all going over the cliff would do is delay tax cuts.  It would, as Krugman, and others point out, eliminate them Jan 1st unless a deal is cut by Dec 31st.  

          Not that it works all that well for the Republicans if that's their idea of a pressure point because, at the same instant, the current year over year deficit will be gone.  Outside of some Republicans and bankers I don't hear all that much complaining from the truly rich that they cannot afford to pay their share.  That is thinking people not Donald "The Rug" Trump and his like.

          If one is a Keynesian one would celebrate going off the cliff.  So, strangely, would most practitioners of monetarism.  The Bush era cuts smack of favouritism which offends monetarists.  The only ones wanting to cling to them are Ayn Rand style "libertarians", it seems to me.

          Stimulus will, in many ways, come from cleaning up from Sandy.  That cleanup will, of necessity, improve on pre-existing infrastructure on the Eastern Seaboard of the United States where it's been decaying for decades now.  

          For better or worse, the New York/New Jersey area so hard hit is the financial centre of the U.S. and is still, adding PA still a major manufacturing region.  That clean  up must and will happen even with the howls of outrage that will come along with it.

          Think of it this way, it's stimulus through the side door.  That will work for the benefit of most of if not all of the United States.

          We can live in today or live life not understanding yesterday is a cancelled cheque, tomorrow but a promise all while we piss on today.

          by TtfnJohn on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 06:20:21 PM PST

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      •  'Fiscal cliff' is nonsense to (0+ / 0-)

        Reich, too.

    •  Let the Republicans refuse help for Sandy and (0+ / 0-)

      they will have a hornets nest of mad voters and no chance of winning elections in those states. Can they afford that and remain a true national party? Me thinks not.

      Conservatives supported slavery, opposed women’s suffrage, supported Jim Crow, opposed the 40-hour work week, the abolishment of child labor, and supported McCarthyism. from 'It's The Conservatism, Stupid' by Paul Waldman July 12, 2006

      by arealniceguy on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 02:07:05 PM PST

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