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  •  Should be a no-brainer. (1+ / 0-)
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    Would like federal control over some of the materials sourcing for public works to ensure American companies get the benefit, but besides that, drop cash from helicopters every hour on the hour in the coastal tri-state region.

    it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

    by Addison on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 03:28:42 PM PST

    •  I'm getting grumpier ever time I hear the term (0+ / 0-)

      "no-brainer".  Sorry.

      Rather see the benefits go to individuals and families than "companies".

      Also need some cost-sharing requirement to ensure the states become more responsible about building in flood prone areas.

      •  Well... (2+ / 0-)
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        When I say "American companies..." I'm not saying that only companies should get the benefit. Just that where companies are getting contracts, they should where possible be American, in order to boost the stimulative effect on the national economy.

        it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

        by Addison on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 03:46:45 PM PST

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        •  Wellll......Redux (0+ / 0-)

          I understand your concern that the money should have a stimulative effect on the United States but every time we get into this discussion there's a tendency by American's top forget that Canadian and American manufacturing, development and research are so tightly wound together  as to be, often, indistinguishable.  The last little trap on this one was after New Orleans got clobbered

          There's a type of sewer/water/drainage piping that's made only in Canada and it took a bit of a battle to make it available in the States for that recovery.  The differences are partly in the materials used and in how the piping joins both of which are supposed to reduce weak points to almost zero. The reality is that it's a joint, cross border effort in the true spirit of NAFTA but the final stage, manufacturing, is done in Canada.  It would have a stimulative effect on both sides of the border, though we need it somewhat less than the U.S. does, but it does fit your understandable desire to maximize stimulative effect in the States.

          I'm not being critical for its own sake but simply to point out that horizons need to be raised at times like this.

          Oh, and for the record, the recovery spending should have nothing to do with the so-called fiscal bluff.  It needs to happen anyway so get on with it already!

          So call the GOP's bluff.  They're backs are against the wall on this one.  One way or another the US tax regime needs to change Jan 1, 2013.  If the Bush tax cuts go down at least there's a clean slate to start from.

          We can live in today or live life not understanding yesterday is a cancelled cheque, tomorrow but a promise all while we piss on today.

          by TtfnJohn on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 07:00:07 PM PST

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    •  Absolutely a no-brainer.. (0+ / 0-)

      ...which is why I fear that self-interested Reptilicans from the Tea Party and other right-wingers in the house will again attempt to hold this hostage. They have no brains, so they are quite willing to sacrifice the greater for the ideology of a very few.

      Any member of Congress who stands in the way of economic recovery, not just for the East coast, but the Nation, should be impeached and run out of politics. These idiots don't understand that the "Blue" part of the country is the phuqqing economic nerve center of the country!!

      And by the way... if you wish to secede, just renounce your citizenship and leave the adults alone. Go play in your libertarian paradise....


      "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

      by CanisMaximus on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 03:41:13 PM PST

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    •  Now were talking. Congress is good at that, (2+ / 0-)
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      apparently doing so in Iraq and Afghanistan for years.

      Right now HUGE Fed stimulus going on in the middle east...

      Via War Costs

      America Begins Nation-Building at Home (Provided Your Home is the Middle East)
      Posted by John Amick · November 15, 2012 3:56 PM

      This article was originally published at

      By Nick Turse

      A billion dollars from the federal government: that kind of money could go a long way toward revitalizing a country’s aging infrastructure.  It could provide housing or better water and sewer systems.  It could enhance a transportation network or develop an urban waterfront.  It could provide local jobs.  It could do any or all of these things.  And, in fact, it did.  It just happened to be in the Middle East, not the United States.

      The Pentagon awarded $667.2 million in contracts in 2012, and more than $1 billion during Barack Obama’s first term in office for construction projects in largely autocratic Middle Eastern nations, according to figures provided to TomDispatch by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Middle East District (USACE-MED).  More than $178 million in similar funding is already anticipated for 2013.  These contracts represent a mix of projects, including expanding and upgrading military bases used by U.S. troops in the region, building facilities for indigenous security forces, and launching infrastructure projects meant to improve the lives of local populations.

      The figures are telling, but far from complete.  They do not, for example, cover any of the billions spent on work at the more than 1,000 U.S. and coalition bases, outposts, and other facilities in Afghanistan or the thousands more manned by local forces.  They also leave out construction projects undertaken in the region by other military services like the U.S. Air Force, as well as money spent at an unspecified number of bases in the Middle East that the Corps of Engineers “has no involvement with,” according to Joan Kibler, chief of the Middle East District’s public affairs office.

      WTF?  And its being suggested we negotiate for aid for the tri state region? WTF WTF WTF  WTF ?

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      by divineorder on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 03:50:05 PM PST

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      •  re: the negotiation... (1+ / 0-)
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        I think Armando's got a strategic aim in mind, which I don't think will work, but he's not just saying we should negotiate -- he's saying that you open that door and more cash will follow because the principle will have been set. I think the aid should be separate unless there are no spending cut strings attached, i.e. there should be no tradeoff in any sense at any level between aid and cuts, and of course the overall idea of massive cash inflows to the region is a good one.

        it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

        by Addison on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 03:54:49 PM PST

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        •  My reply was focused on this part of your comment (0+ / 0-)
          drop cash from helicopters every hour on the hour in the coastal tri-state region.

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          by divineorder on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 04:04:40 PM PST

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        •  That's my more ambitious goal (0+ / 0-)

          But my short term goal is easily doable politically imo.

          I would not be surprised if Schumer has something like that in mind already.

          It's an endgame position though, not what you offer out of the box.

          I think Obama and Reid are making all the right noises right now about being determined that the Bush tax cuts for the rich end this year.

          Ask for more than what you will settle for.

          Basic bargaining technique.

    •  It already exists for the DOD (0+ / 0-)

      All large contracts have minority set-asides.

      I know from personal experience that the smaller defense contractors give better service than larger ones.

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