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  •  OK, couple things wrong there (5+ / 0-)
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    Aquarius40, Siri, VClib, Ahianne, George3

    You don't need a dispensation from the pope.

    If it wasn't a sacramental marriage, and that is determined by a local tribunal, with a review by another tribunal in another diocese, then there is a statement that it was not a sacramental marriage in the first place(as opposed to a big whoop de doo that happened at a church where everybody got drunk and wasn't thinking about permanent commitment, etc.)

    This is NOT a "dispensation." It is a declaration of FACT. There was NO SACRAMENTAL MARRIAGE EVER IN EXISTENCE.

    The issue here is, do both the parties understand the true meaning of marriage AS A SACRAMENT, as opposed to have they come up with good looking bridesmaids and dresses.

    And there is a modest fee for the process, which can be waived if the person making the request can't afford it.

    It is not even enough to cover the cost of processing.

    Those who prepare the paperwork, known as submitting ministers, are often specially trained volunteers, often attorneys who know about family law matters.

    If the other party opposes the matter, it may go further and there might be additional costs, but that's pretty unusual.

    The whole thing has tightened up under B.XVI, but it's still not a trip to Rome thing.

    I must be dreaming...

    by murphy on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 10:27:08 AM PST

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    •  Interesting (1+ / 0-)
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      I know for a fact she was never offered any kind of hardship waiver. She was a single mom of 2 young girls, on foodstamps with a deadbeat ex. They charged her $350 for what they called a special dispensation. She married husband #1 not for bridesmaids & a drunken party but because she was pregnant and Catholic and didn't want to terminate the pregnancy. I'm just glad she didn't marry #1 in church or she may never have unraveled the mess. She wanted to marry again & raise her girls Catholic.

      "Compassion is the radicalism of our time." ~ Tenzin Gyatso, 14th Dalai Lama -7.88, -6.21

      by Siri on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 11:13:15 AM PST

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      •  Given that situation (2+ / 0-)
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        I am surprised there was any fee, but not knowing which diocese, or who handled it for her, she may not have been properly advised.

        The circumstances under which she married strongly indicate that she felt pressured and did not freely choose to enter into that marriage, and it ought to have been a really simple case.

        I must be dreaming...

        by murphy on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 03:31:28 PM PST

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