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  •  We are still a republic, however diseased (3+ / 0-)

    Most people don't even know what a republic is or why they should care (it's taken me years to figure it out). This country is ours. Not just in a manner of speaking, but literally. By design. That we were not and are still not fully allowed to take part in running it or even in picking who runs it doesn't alter that basic fact. This is our country, to run and do with as we wish. And most of wish for it to be run better than it is. The core ideological and constitutional framework that enables us to take the country back (and not in that rediculous racist sense that the other side likes to drone on about) was created by those dead white men over 230 years ago in Philadelphia. It's not easy or quick, but it can be done. One of the biggest lies ever told was that there's nothing we can do about things, that the rich people who control the media, military and politicians will always control us too. I don't believe that. We wouldn't have lasted as long as we have if that were true, because sooner or later these people always screw things up, and then it's our turn, and opportunity, to clean up their mess and makes things better for a while. Now is one of those times. We'd be crazy if we didn't seize it.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 03:37:04 PM PST

    •  just barely a republic (4+ / 0-)

      every session of congress the USA becomes less and less the republic outlined in the Constitution. The diarist outlines the crimes committed against the people by the GOP and to a lessor extent by the democrats. But one salient point is that the crimes were committed by the perversion of the rule of law and at the expense of the Constitution, the basis of our republic.

      How much can the Constitution be perverted before it no longer protects the peoples rights and the republic is lost? To me that's the major question facing the nation. Can we hold onto the great republic you discribe and save it from the attacks of those who would distroy it? imo that remains to be seen.

      America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

      by cacamp on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:14:36 PM PST

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      •  I'm talking about what we are, constitutionally (1+ / 0-)
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        and by design and intent, not what we are, today, effectively, through neglect and abuse. If we keep fixating on all that's broken and expending all our energy on wailing and rending our robes over it, then we won't have much time or energy to start fixing things, no? I'd rather we focused on getting us back towards the sort of country we're supposed to and I believe can be rather than getting continually angry and depressed over how far we've gotten from it. I don't believe that we're doomed and I don't have much use for those who do. IMO they're effectively not much better than those who have hurt our republic.

        Sorry, I'm just not into outrage porn.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 06:03:13 PM PST

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        •  relax, and don't be sorry (2+ / 0-)

          no need to be sorry since I'm neither "into outrage porn" nor rending any robes. Neither do I think "we're damned" nor do I 'have much use' for anyone who thinks I am.

          I was merely answering your comment with my assesment of the danger to our republic posed by those who attempt to distroy this republic plus a small comment on those who prefer to hide their heads in the sand and pretend they don't exist, who, IMO are aiding and abetting those who would do harm to the constitutional republic we both love. Get it?

          Fixating on the past and ignoring what is being broken is tantamount to joining the distroyers themselves, no?

          America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

          by cacamp on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 08:59:22 PM PST

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          •  Yes (1+ / 0-)
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            Which is the one nit I have to pick with someone like Digby, who doesn't seem able to get past her pessimism and cynicism.

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 09:43:58 PM PST

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