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  •  Sinn Fein (22+ / 0-)

    and their leader Gerry Adams are putting forth legislation that aims to fully implement a 1992 judgment by Ireland's Supreme Court - this judgment allows for a "health of the mother" exception as I can understand it.

    None of the status quo parties in Ireland, FF or FG, will dare to go up against the Catholic church - Sinn Fein has a lot of experience with this going back before the H-Block hunger strikes.

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    Now I don't know but I been told/it's hard to run with the weight of gold
    Other hand I heard it said/it's just as hard with the weight of lead

    by ekthesy on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 10:31:54 AM PST

    •  this is better but still doesn't protect women. (11+ / 0-)

      The problem, as I understand it is that Savita's condition for the first few days was viewed as not clearly or immediately life-threatening, maybe "only" a threat to her health. By the time the fetus died and was removed, it was too late, she had already developed septicemia.
      Unfortunately, Gerry Adams' statement that

      It is about specific cases where a woman's life is at risk and where medical practitioners are tasked with making medical judgments without legal protection.
      is limited to a woman's life being at risk.
      So if a pregnant woman comes in with a health problem being seriously exacerbated by the pregnancy, once again the doctors will need to make a judgment about whether the pregnancy is life-threatening or merely health-threatening.
      It's absurd!
      And what about someone with cancer (I've heard of several cases like this) in which the pregnancy speeds up the spread of the cancer. The woman's life might not be immediately threatened -- maybe the pregnancy will mean she dies a year or two later instead of having cancer in a stage still amenable to treatment.
      Can you imagine prostate cancer treatment being decided on this basis? Since prostate cancer rarely kills quickly, a pro-life argument might be that the man still has functioning sperm production and his life isn't in immediate danger. No male legislator would find this acceptable.

      We're not perfect, but they're nuts! -- Barney Frank

      by Tamar on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 10:55:45 AM PST

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      •  Sometimes health-threatening (4+ / 0-)
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        and life-threatening are exactly the same thing, as in the cancer example you gave above.

        What about a woman whose pregnancy causes her kidneys to fail? If she goes onto conventional dialysis she's got a 1 in 4 chance of dying in the first year, leaving her infant without a mother. That's still death by superstition and negligence, just delayed.

        I can't comprehend the kind of thinking that regards women as no more than livestock. I just can't. Thank god I'm an atheist, because the thought of being reincarnated as a woman in a place like that terrifies me.

        Surely the influence of the Church is waning as the younger generation comes up? The Vatican is criminal for requiring this but I don't suppose they'll ever see the blood on their hands.

        When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained. - Mark Twain

        by Late Again on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 11:56:02 AM PST

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      •  The journey of a thousand miles (2+ / 0-)
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        beginning with a single step and all that. The Irish government isn't going to shed the Church yoke overnight, but this is certainly a step in the right direction.

        Now I don't know but I been told/it's hard to run with the weight of gold
        Other hand I heard it said/it's just as hard with the weight of lead

        by ekthesy on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 01:49:28 PM PST

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    •  Sinn Fein are more anti-abortion than Labour (7+ / 0-)

      Sinn Fein, while they may allow some exceptions, remain committed to outlawing abortion wherever and whenever possible.

      Irish Labour, which is what the Tanaiste is from, are openly pro-choice. They are a more viable electoral option than Sinn Fein and they are better on the issue.

    •  Can't believe I'm rooting for Sinn Fein. (1+ / 0-)
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      The world is a weird place.

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