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  •  i disagree (8+ / 0-)

    the teabaggers don't get it, but boehner does- they got their asses handed to them. a year ago they had a flat economy, high unemployment, a president with approval ratings barely above the horizon, a senate map that had them regaining control, and a freshly gerrymandered house that was locked in. they got pummeled across the board, and only that gerrymandering saved their one area of control, and they still lost some high profle and long serving members. and gerrymandering gets diluted, every year. this was a very winnable election and boehner knows they blew it.

    the gop isn't organized enough to put together and pass a comprehensive program. meanwhile, obama lets the bush tax cuts expire and then forces the gop to accept or vote against the obama middle class tax cuts. the dems stand their ground, and the gop gets blamed for everything. boehner is scared.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 07:40:33 PM PST

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    •  If you're a GOP congressman from a red district, (4+ / 0-)

      I really don't see how you could see things getting any worse than they were this past year. And guess what, Obama won and you're still here. You voted for the Ryan Budget, almost sent the country into bankruptcy, and withstood a big DCCC money advantage with a winning incumbent president of the opposing party at the top of the ticket. And guess what? You're still here.

      So what I'm saying is, what have you to gain by cooperating with Obama? The national party had its problems and you're still here. Why should you give a shit Mitt Romney got beat? You voted to end Medicare and you're still here.

      So while I think ultimately Boehner is going to have to agree to something, I can totally understand why he would figure cutting a deal now is a lot worse than cutting a deal later. Because really...what can Obama offer him? Not much. How can Obama hurt him? He can't really. But who can? The crazy House GOP that really doesn't have to give a shit about the national GOP condition.

      •  boehner wants his job and his majority (4+ / 0-)

        that's why he's scared. the deep red district republicans may be delusional, but he's not. he doesn't want to cooperate, but he knows how last year cost him, and he knows how vulnerable his party is going forward. and he can't cooperate because then he loses his speakership. he may lose it either way, by losing his majority or by losing the support of his caucus. he's on the horns of a classic dilemma.

        IF obama stands his ground, obama hurts boehner either way. the longer this goes on, the more the pressure builds, and the more the gop will pay the cost. boehner sees that, and wants a way out, but the teabaggers won't give him a way out. if obama stands his ground, the gop will be eating itself alive by spring.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 08:03:43 PM PST

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      •  Outside spending neutralized some DCCC . . . (0+ / 0-)

        advantages.  I don't know what the official final tally is, but as of mid-October the GOP had over a $1 million edge.  In the context of a national election that's not a huge advantage, but it probably helped.

        I think part of the argument for Boehner's stalling is that he thinks the GOP will be in a stronger position in 2014.  The mid-terms have some built in advantages for the GOP (gerrymandering, and older, more reliable mid-term voters).  So undoubtedly, he thinks a later negotiation will be on more favorable terrain.  Also there's an outside chance that the GOP could recapture the Senate, which would give it additional leverage.

        The worst possible outcome would be to see the GOP standing in the way of a deal, which might actually undermine those built-in mid-term advantages.  

        •  Im still standing by my (0+ / 0-)

          position that there is no political cost to obstructionism.

          May have noticed it was never an issue in the campaign. Why? Because people don't give a shit about process. They care about policy and personality and ideology. And rightly so. But not process.

          •  Unfortunately Obama didn't campaign like Truman (0+ / 0-)

            against the "Do-nothing Congress" so there is no empirical test.  The gerrymanders and dark money helped them, but our side did not do enough to hold them accountable for the extremist Ryan budget and the default hostage taking.  

            Last fall, Obama said "Pass this jobs bill right now!" often enough so that we political types all remember it.  If he had relentlessly reminded the voters of that throughout the campaign, we might now be discussing the strategic options of incoming Speaker Pelosi.

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            by Albanius on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 11:56:23 PM PST

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          •  Agree about process, up to a point . . . (0+ / 0-)

            if the GOP refuses to pass the existing extension of the Bush tax cuts for those below $250K there is no cost, unless people are aware that the legislation exists and that it wasn't put into law because the GOP House refused to move on the measure before the end of the year.

            There are limits on the process side of the issue, but outside pressure can work.  The president using his bully pulpit can work.  This stuff matters in terms of framing.  I don't think in 2009-2010 that the public was aware of the extent of GOP obstruction.  This is part of the way that a narrative gets built.

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