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  •  That's nuts. (7+ / 0-)

    Just sayin'. That organization could take the Democrats to 2016 and beyond.

    I hope they at least left good notes (and voter databases).

    The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains. – Paul Simon, "Train In The Distance."

    by Omir the Storyteller on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 11:58:20 PM PST

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    •  Imagine if Dean had won in 2004. (5+ / 0-)

      DFA would not have been dismembered in 2009 and left to die.

      [That is all. :-) ]

    •  He's converting it to current political action (8+ / 0-)

      Last week, the campaign invited campaign volunteers and supporters to participate in theaction.org to fight the Bush tax cuts.  

      While it sucks that he is choosing not to simply hand over this apparatus to the party or the next campaign, I think there is a wisdom in this decision.  The key value was that this campaign was built from the bottom up.  Each of us volunteered, gave money, worked our asses off because we developed a personal relationship in some fashion with the candidate and the campaign.  

      And it's little things like my quickly being empowered to help, to make suggestions that were actively listened to, to even being offered a ride home by campaign staff.  you think any of that was going on in Romneyland?  

      The next democratic candidate can't simply purchase a campaign apparatus, she or he has to build it.

      --United Citizens defeated Citizens United...This time. --

      by chipoliwog on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 07:36:41 AM PST

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      •  so (2+ / 0-)

        if he's going to disassemble what was built on his watch, is he going to rebuild what we had before?

        No?  didn't think so.

        It's been a hundred years, isn't it time we stopped blaming Captain Smith for sinking the Titanic?

        by happymisanthropy on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 09:06:59 AM PST

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      •  Look, I recognize the importance of building (4+ / 0-)

        a campaign of interested, committed workers, but c'mon. Obama's machine has a huge amount of scaffolding that could be used by other campaigns to avoid having to reinvent the wheel – voter lists, databases, smartphone infrastructure, people who know how to crunch the numbers, lists of former volunteers who might want to get involved again. All of that could be useful in the many Senate, House, Governors' and local races that are going to be waged in 2014, to say nothing of ballot issues, initiatives and the like. (There will even be a few races in 2013.) Having all the scaffolding available for those races would get campaigns up and running a lot faster and probably give the candidates a leg up on the GOP.

        The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains. – Paul Simon, "Train In The Distance."

        by Omir the Storyteller on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 11:03:10 AM PST

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        •  A campaign is not a substitute for strong State (1+ / 0-)
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          and local Democratic party organizations. OFA could help by providing access to their database to the State and Democratic party organizations at an affordable rate, but they are not required to do that.

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          by We Won on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 01:37:13 PM PST

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          •  Again, I'm not saying OFA should replace (1+ / 0-)
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            anyone else's campaign. I am saying, however, that they could be an invaluable resource for winning, and while I agree they are not required at this point to do anything that isn't mandated by the FEC, I think they should continue to do what they do well (data mining, phone banking and other infrastructural operations) so the state and local parties can continue to do what they do well (recruit and train candidates, knock on doors, neighbor-to-neighbor outreach).

            The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains. – Paul Simon, "Train In The Distance."

            by Omir the Storyteller on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 01:46:15 PM PST

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            •  OFA did it's job very well. The 2010 (0+ / 0-)

              elections were not OFA's responsibility, and the 2014 elections will not be either.

              OFA could help the State and Local Democratic party organizations by making available OFA databases at an affordable rate, even though they are not required to.

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              by We Won on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 02:21:48 PM PST

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              •  This is why I did not give one cent to OFA this (6+ / 0-)

                time.  I'm a Progressive Democrat.  I gave to Progressive Democrats, and I gave to Democratic Party organizations (like Move On) that support Progressive Democrats in EVERY ELECTION, not just one election for one candidate every four years.  Without a strong Democratic Party, having Obama in the White House for 8 years is pointless and largely, fruitless.  I had no sense that Obama built anything to leave behind when he failed to use OFA in 2010, and that is why he may serve as President for 8 years and leave the Democratic Party worse off instead of stronger.  He needs to run against the obstructionist Republican Party and for Progressive Democrats in 2014 just as hard as he ran for President in 2012.  Then he might be able to really leave a legacy behind that lasts well beyond his time in office in the last 2 years he is in office.  Much of what he as accomplished could be quickly reversed with a Republican in the White House, and that will happen without long term party building.  Doesn't a community organizer recognize that?

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                by monkeybrainpolitics on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 03:07:53 PM PST

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            •  Yes, I agree, and I thought (1+ / 0-)
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              that "scaffolding" was going to be available to the DNC for use by new campaigns.  That OFA (Obama for America) was now going to be OFA (Organizing for America). It doesn't mean each campaign wouldn't have to build their own "oomph," but the database info would be invaluable to all future campaigns.

              The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -- John Kenneth Galbraith

              by scarlet slipper on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 07:18:43 PM PST

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