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  •  Anyone remember how in 2010 the Dem leadership (5+ / 0-)
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    refused to put forward for a vote a bill that would have extended the Bush tax cuts for income under $250 but let the tax cuts for higher income levels expire?  That bill would have forced the Repubs to vote against a huge middle class tax cut in order to protect the rich, and would have been a great issue for Dems to campaign on in the 2010 elections.  

    But our genius Dem negotiators refused to bring that bill up for a vote.  They decided, in their infinite wisdom, that it would hurt them with the electorate, because the Repubs would argue that they were trying to raise taxes on the rich and that any mention of taxes was bad for Dems.  How'd that work out for us?  I was pulling my hair out for weeks at this stupidity.

    So nobody here should be saying "Don't worry, these guys are expert negotiators."  They are not.  It is their greatest weakness, and has been for decades.

    I hope that this is theater, and that Obama wants plausible deniability if the talks don't succeed, to be able to say that he tried and that it is the Republicans' fault.  That is good politics.

    But given his first term, I wish I could say that with 100% certainty.  I'm not certain that he won't cave when push comes to shove, so the more we can do to help avoid that the better.

    •  ahhhh, Dave (1+ / 0-)
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      O is not listening to you, sorry.

      Like someone posted above, big difference in negotiating a transaction in your world and that when you are the leader of the free world.

      as you should know, in true negotiation there is give and take and at the end, both sides walk away with something and rarely does one side get 100% of what it wants.

      the guy has been a good president and he won re-election just over a week ago. let's think about that . O has always been in for the long game going back to when he first decided to run the 1st time. he knew he needed two terms to effect change and have a historical impact.

      everyone is entitled to his/her/their opinion and glad to have the back and forth but me? I would rather enjoy what happened a week ago, kick back and watch a Jedi at work.

      life is too short to be worrying about things that we cannot, quite frankly, control.

      I'm certain things will work out fine.

      mittens=edsel. no matter how much money is spent to promote it, if the product sucks, no one will buy it.

      by wewantthetruth on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 06:21:00 AM PST

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      •  I was "certain" in 2008 but (2+ / 0-)
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        that didn't work out too well.  And if he was really planning to make the big changes in his second term, he killed that plan with the way he and other Dems handled the 2010 elections.

        But by all means, kick back and enjoy last week; I certainly have.  

        And of course I know that you don't get 100% in any negotiate; I negotiate for a living, as well as mediate disputes.

        But some points have to be non-negotiable, like the tax rate for income over $250k; to get that, we can give a little on other things.  But not on that.

        And remember, this is not an ordinary negotiation.  The Bush tax cuts expire on their own.  That gives us a winning hand.

        I love your attitude that "life is too short to be worrying about things that we cannot, quite frankly, control."  But that is what we mainly do on DKos, express our opinion and try to affect public opinion.  You have expressed your opinion yourself, although your opinion seems to be that the rest of us shouldn't express our opinions about the President's negotiation tactics.

        •  you should try reading what I wrote (0+ / 0-)

          rather than put words in my mouth.

          the man has already effected significant change and will continue to do so.

          '10 results were not on him but he has to deal with what he has to deal with.

          I was certain in '08 that O would be a good president and he has been even more so with what he walked in to and other unexpected things he had to deal with.

          were there disappointments, sure, but so what. get over it, it's done.

          you're setting yourself up for disappointment when you make demands that you have no chance of making come true.

          and again, thanks for the education on what dkos is all about.......been around a bit myself, Dave. Also appreciate the reminder that this negotiation is not "ordinary".

          as to your stating that my opinion seems to be the rest of "us" shouldn't express "our" opinions,  I never said that or suggested that. you're too wrapped up in your self and your opinions to see that.

          best of luck, man. keep effecting that change!

          mittens=edsel. no matter how much money is spent to promote it, if the product sucks, no one will buy it.

          by wewantthetruth on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 07:30:37 AM PST

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