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  •  Did total capitalism win the U.S. elections? (6+ / 0-)

    Of course, but don't tell anybody.   Instead of pushing on Obama to move left, we're too busy partying and demonizing the red team.  

    I've asked several times.   Kos said he?  dkos? raised 3.5 million dollars for Obama and the Democrats this cycle.    I would like to know what the progressive left that donated that money got for it  - and please spare me the "the surpeme court and John McCain".   If they have a master plan they are working behind the scenes, it would be nice if the rest of knew the agenda so we could help.   My bet is that Obama cuts SS, Medicare and/or Medicaid in return for a lousy 2% tax increase on the top 2%?   Big whoop!  The unions threaten, the left threatens, and neither of them do anything to hold either of the corporate owned parties accountable.  

    I remember a time when dkos was an activist blog.   It pushed and pushed hard from the front page to the diaries.   Now?   We're cheerleaders.  Yeah blue, boo red.  Don't criticize Obama before the election, during the election, or after the election.     We all just need to be grateful we're allowed to vote for the Dems of the season and give them our  money.  It took me a couple of years to learn to zip my wallet here, but I did figure it out and haven't donated to anything at dkos since.  

    Will you ever come back to the US, or have you pretty well adopted the EU as your new home?      I have a friend who keeps sending me info on retiring in Belize.   It sounds better and better.  It is hard to have any feelings of loyalty or patriotism for a country that could care less if its people live or die.  

    If money is speech, then speech must be money.

    by dkmich on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 06:44:06 AM PST

    •  agree but disagree about pbo (1+ / 0-)
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      cutting ss, medicare or medicaid, at least as far as the payments to the recipients

      that'd be the signal to recognize that there's no hope that he is what he appears to be

      •  I keep hoping I am wrong, but I wouldn't (3+ / 0-)
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        bet against me.   There are some who want to think his last four years will be about greatness instead of business as usual.   I want them to be right, too.   On a personal level, bho is a very warm and likable person.    I am afraid, however, he's just another Clinton.

        If money is speech, then speech must be money.

        by dkmich on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 07:04:39 AM PST

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      •  if Obama doesn't get those cuts it will have (2+ / 0-)
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        been because of a successful fight against those cuts led by Bernie Sanders (he still only has 29 fellow Senators committed), some members of Congress, and several organizations dedicated solely to protecting Social Security, Medicare/caid from cuts. They see the need for their actions because of Obama's words and actions and how can anyone forget those Cat Food Commissions on which he personally appointed to the top spots people who were well known as avid opponents of SS, even with Foundations dedicated to attacking SS.
        Whether those cuts come in the form of raising the eligibility age, or changing how COLA is calculated, all the different groups, along with Sen. Sanders, are active because of what Obama has said, to newspapers, to reporters at events, and during his 'debt limit' fiasco with Boehner last year (about his plans for cuts to them all ).

        It is going to take a LOT of public pressure (and from Congress), along with groups like the one with Bernie Sanders to get SS, Medicare and Medicaid 'off the table', and I don't think it looks promising. After all Obama is the first President to successfully go after the stream of revenue for SS by suspending the withholding of payroll taxes (why not take it from the Federal side?).

        Obama has said he want $2.50 in cuts for every dollar of revenue so his priorities are clear, and lowering corporate taxes (during one debate on that he and Mitt were in agreement) was nonsense when Repubs said it would work and it's nonsense when Obama says it.
        Good grief, one past member of his WH Staff was a former ceo of GE, who shipped over 300,000 jobs to China, while GE paid no taxes and even got millions in 'tax credits' and that is just one example of many.

        We don't have a debt crisis we have a jobs crisis and a climate crisis (not in that order in importance), which could both be dealt with successfully with a green version of The New Deal.

        without the ants the rainforest dies

        by aliasalias on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 12:41:43 PM PST

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        •  a lot of public pressure, (1+ / 0-)
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          which is why I keep pushing it here, and keep tweeting the politicians involved to keep their mitts off our stuff.   We didn't trash the hotel room, and we're not paying for it.

          Until dkos becomes more transparent about its goals, my wallet will remain shut; and I will take everything I read here with a huge dose of salt.  

          If money is speech, then speech must be money.

          by dkmich on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 03:01:24 AM PST

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    •  Not entirely true (1+ / 0-)
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      MB and Joan McCarter have views extending beyond the next election.  Even Kos on a good day.

    •  People need roots, I am not an atom (1+ / 0-)
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      I sympathize with your comments, which are similar to those of conservatives who bellow, if they (you) raise my taxes again, I'm leaving California. All humans take advantage when they can (look at General Allen spending all his time sending more than 20,000 emails); all governments reward their supporters. (Jill Kelley and family visited the White House just before the recent election; Grover Norquist visited the Dubya Bush White House almost ten times during 8 years). Would the government in Belize be any better?

      I am unhappy with local government, which bows to the Chamber of Commerce and fuels continuing denigration of public schools in the name of choice. This makes the situation and future job prospects for poor and minority children very difficult. Our public schools in the wealthy enclaves do a pretty good job. We should spend more on educating underprivileged children when in fact we spend less in most cases. That's just an example; I could also say that we don't educate the public about climate change, and many other problems. It drives me crazy when Democrats, the President etc praise Mayor Villaraigosa who is an unprincipled opportunist in my opinion.
      However, I'll stay in my neighborhood where I have connections and roots and keep fighting without expecting Armageddon or US national bankruptcy.

      When I read,

      To win in America all we have to do is to care about each other and stick together!
      I laugh because I heard and said similar things in the 60s. When you say, "to win", you assume that life is a football game. I disagree. I hope that US culture can be restructured in a more communitarian way. It will certainly change with time, but it will change slowly. As a doctor, I think that the Affordable Care Act is good but flawed, a clumsy first step.
      There was a period of time after the law passed in 2010 when there was a chance to influence public perceptions of the ACA. That should have begun with simple one paragraph explanations, not just from the White House but also from influential commentators.  By summer, the tea party people controlled all the megaphones, it was too late. A window of opportunity had closed- so-called ObamaCons like Douglas Kmiec and Charles Fried should have been pressed into service during this time when the Democratic leadership was resting on its laurels. Even old C. Everett Koop, then 93, probably would have spoken up for the ACA. I know other conservative MDs who would have spoken and written in favor of the ACA, even though the process disgusted them.
      Today, those who distrust the Sanatorium-Romney-Ryan crowd say that they are for the ACA, while those who hate Obama are against it. Very few in either camp understand it at all.

      There is a culture war, going back at least to 1964. There have been shootings within 200 yards of my house this month, but firearms won’t save my neighborhood and my unequal city. My grandchildren suffer if I move to the mountains, to Belize or Costa Rica (sounds better to me than Belize) so I'll stay and fight in a civil manner (yes, that's a contradiction, but that's what we do if we see that the other side isn't going away). Many Goldwater followers understood that the culture war would go on for generations.

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