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  •  Naive maybe, but I think the first step should be (2+ / 0-)
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    Karl Rover, bluedust

    supporting Palestine's bid for recognition in the UN. That way, the following 2 good things might happen:
    (1) Palestinians would feel as if they possess a real voice, a means of manifestation that doesn't include rockets or exploding vests.
    (2) Any impropriety committed by Israel, however, slight, would be seen as an international aggression, rather than a mere "Israel internal matter."

    What am I missing?

    "...pero mi corazón me aconseja, que los nacionalismos - ¡qué miedo me dan!" - Enrique Bunbury (El Extranjero)

    by JustGiaco on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 07:38:32 AM PST

    •  If you insist on the two state solution, then it i (2+ / 0-)
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      bluedust, Kane in CA

      logical both States are recognized and treated equally.

      Naive in this case means trying something else instead of the infantile temper tantrums shown by both sides in this.

      I wonder what the majority really thinks,  do both civilian populations like the way this is headed? I doubt it.

      "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

      by LaFeminista on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 09:06:15 AM PST

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      •  One of the problems is that both sides at somewhat (1+ / 0-)
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        different levels have the notion that they have the right to be there but that other bunch over there does not. That is part of why the settlements keep growing, so that eventually it will be politically impossible to have an area where Palestinians will want to stay, because they will have no rights and government will work only for the settlers. In Gaza, the point of the ban on almost everything in a blockade, polluting water and such was to make the place so unpleasant that the million and a half would move out.  Of course, there is no thought of where the Palestinians would go because that is not a matter Israeli governments care about.

        On the Palestinian side, where talk is almost the only option, the thought is still that the Israelis save for a very very few are colonial invaders who take no rights because of their use of force to secure what they have. The problem here is quite frankly that a lot of the Jews who became the first Israelis were effectively chucked out of Europe at various times by a mix of evangelism (In the twenties in Engliand, the same stuff we call crap when alleged here in right winger religious End Times nuts, was running loose among the governing class, who didn't like Jews anyway, just not as forcefully as some others did not), so the illusion that the 'colonials' have somewhere else to go is also twaddle. And the mess that has resulted is of lesser interest to the chuckers because they don't at the end of the day give poo for either side, one Jews, one brown.

        This is, unfortunately why the two state solution, which both sides are both pushing and trying to kill, will probably not go forward, because if it did, it would be found that on a proper division of resources and borders and such, both sides could survive side by side in some rational manner, without the necessity of either side holding everything. I suspect that part of the reason this continues to be ugly is that neither side wants to admit it would be possible to do that. And both sides hold huge civilian populations almost to ransom, making sure that the ideologues on both sides have all the control there is.

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