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  •  For the most part (1+ / 0-)
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    No. Most Israeilis would gladly give up the west bank, in a heartbeat in exchange for a secure lasting peace. Not all of them. But most.  The 2,000 year history is incidental to most Israelis.

    •  Israelis: Yes But Israeli Government: No (1+ / 0-)
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      Why do the polls taken indicate that Israelis would be willing to give up the Territories yet those same Israelis keep putting back into power (through the only poll which matters in politics) a political constellation which continues to appropriate those lands from those currently on them and to reduce their prospects for an economic future at every turn?  If the citizens in a democratic state are presumed to be responsible for their government, just how do we square this circle?

      As things stand right now, the two state solution is dead.  No Israeli offer in recent memory has done anything but allow for some Levantine Bantustans for the Palestinians, with no control over their political, economic, or physical security.  One morning the Palestinians are going to twig to that fact and ask the UN to allow them to vote on becoming full citizens of Israel rather than citizens of an independent Palestine.  Just how does Tel Aviv respond to that twist in the road?  

      "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

      by PrahaPartizan on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 01:57:14 PM PST

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      •  B/c giving up land gave them no peace or security (0+ / 0-)

        in the past. No reason for them to believe that things will be any different in the future.

        •  Never Gave Up the Land (1+ / 0-)
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          The problem is that the Israelis never really gave up control of the land.  Oh, they made a show of withdrawing from Gaza, but they did it mostly because they knew it would be cheaper to run the open air prison it is by allowing the warders to manage the place.  The costs of trying to actively control Gaza had gotten too high, so the Israelis made a calculated withdrawal.  The Palestinians though weren't fooled by the sham generosity, because they never got control of the borders or the airspace, which Israel still kept closed.  So, no land was ever really given back and no peace was in anybody's future.

          "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

          by PrahaPartizan on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 07:50:01 AM PST

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          •  I agree that they gave up Gaza for the reasons (0+ / 0-)

            you describe. But still, they did it. Did them no good. Same with South Lebanon (which they were occupying completely illegally and had no hope of holding long-term but still the same story).

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