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  •  Yeah I actually thought he was one of those rare (5+ / 0-)

    sensible conservatives. Then he goes and talks about equality in the 1950s that liberals pine for. Are their minds so freaking warped that they only see the world from a white man's perspective?

    •  Like pretty much all conservatives (8+ / 0-)

      He makes dishonest arguments that contain just enough truth to seem plausible. Whether this is deliberate, or something they don't realize they do, I don't know (the former means they're dishonest, the latter just stupid).

      Sure the 50's were a prosperous time. They were also an unequal time, not just economically but racially and sexually. And the inequality was institutional, not just social and cultural. They were also culturally conformist, at least for most Americans who dared not risk leaving the mainstream (obviously, lots of very interesting stuff going on outside the mainstream, e.g. music, art, activism).

      Deep down, they all share the same view that older straight white Judeo-Christian conservative males are morally superior and everyone should listen to, follow and try to be like them. They all have this weird daddy complex that I've never quite been able to figure out, simultaneously loving and fearing some mythical daddy figure. Very old testament, obviously. They take that shit seriously, poor saps.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 06:58:08 AM PST

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      •  It depends on what you mean. (0+ / 0-)

        Some people, when talking about the '50s, mean "the '50s".  Some mean "before the '60s".  Were the '50s worse socially and culturally than times before then--worse than the '20s, '30s, or '40s, or the turn of the century, or the Victorian Era?

        The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

        by Panurge on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 07:25:55 AM PST

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        •  I think they mean the actual decade (2+ / 0-)
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          In which it was good to be a member of the racial, ethnic, religious and social majority. They're been trying to recreate ever since.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 08:47:10 AM PST

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          •  Wasn't that true of times before, though? (0+ / 0-)

            In that case, "the '50s" does, in fact, mean "before the '60s".

            The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

            by Panurge on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 08:55:19 AM PST

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            •  No, they're specifically referring to the 50's (1+ / 0-)
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              As what they view as the high water mark of what their view as the ideal America, i.e. prosperous, peaceful, happy and well-ordered--for people like them. There had not been such a time in the US since the early 1800's.

              To them, the 20's were decadent.

              "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

              by kovie on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 10:21:00 AM PST

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